Austrian Heresy Not Our Concern, Says Lombardi

Vatican Speaker Lombardi said there will be no “dialogue” with the Austrian heretics. This is, says Lombardi, a pastoral problem, and as such must be dealt with by the competent authority, the local bishops.

One wonders.

Firstly, I do not think the doctor has ever ordered one must “dialogue” with people whose positions are so shamelessly heretical. Still, it seems nowadays without offering “dialogue” one doesn’t go anywhere, and simply defending Catholicism by disciplining those who injure it is someway not in fashion anymore, or “sensitive” enough. Some one must dialogue with the heretics, says Lombardi. Of course he must. Merely, it won’t be Rome.

Secondly, this intervention it is truly indicative of how excruciatingly slow (others would say: ineffective, and inefficient) the Church’s workings are. An open heresy explodes. The local authorities do pretty much nothing for now nine months. The Vatican says the local authorities must deal with the problem. Only, the problem is clearly not dealt with, nor does the Vatican deal with the fact that it is isn’t.

In short, it would seem that talking is seen as a legitimate substitute for acting. In the meantime, the heresy goes on, the appeal to disobedience is still on the internet, and there are rumblings in Germany and Ireland.

Brace yourself for some more talk. Possibly even “dialogue”.


Posted on April 22, 2012, in Catholicism and tagged , , . Bookmark the permalink. 4 Comments.

  1. The conciliarists and diologuers Mundabor are merely being hoist by their own petard.

    “Discipline is out now, we must show lurve and compassion. If that doesn’t work, we’ll pretend the problem doesn’t exist”.

    The result will be the secession of Austria, a fully-Catholic country just fifty years ago, from the Faith. Unbelievable even ten years ago.

    The Novus Ordo Church advances into total collapse.

    It is monstrous, how womanly and weak-kneed Rome is in the face of such open defiance. But, having eschewed its right to act, all it can do is gather in the harvest of its own stupidity.

    Clearly things will have to become vastly worse before Rome emerges from its Rumpelstiltskin-like dreamworld.

    • I am more optimistic than that, Ben, though I approve your analysis of the present evil.

      Catholicism is very strong, and even if many Austrian are at the time very tepid (the “dissenters” must be a minority, surely) I can’t see a full-scale migration to Protestant shores.

      But of course it is necessary to act, and to act decisively.

      When I read people like Lombardi, at times I have the impression that in the Vatican the salvation of souls is the last priority.


  2. Mundabor, I must disagree with your statement, “I can’t see a full-scale migration to Protestant shores.”

    In America (and probably throughout most of the Church), the majority of Catholics still inhabiting the pews have already become material Protestants (without realizing it). I think the model followed by Tudor England (see Michael Davies’ “Cranmers Godly Order”) has been copied throughout the Church for 50 years; as in the 15th & 16th century English Church, the people didn’t intend to become Protestants, they just drifted into it — largely through a deformed liturgy and the incremental institution by ecclesiastical authority of policies that were de facto Protestant . (Sound familiar?)

    I am deeply pessimistic short term; we’ve just begun to enter into the night — even if the SSPX is regularized.

    • Ah, Senrex, I think I understand what you say and agree largely with you: the vast majority of Catholics in the West is protestantised or secularised in some measure.

      Still, in my eyes many of them feel catholics. They are poorly instructed – better: not instructed – but if they had shepherds who start telling it to them as it is, I think they – or their children at the latest – would be rather orthodox again.

      The modern protestantised catholic is, I think, often a Catholics who has no real perception of the gravity of his ignorance – and how could he? Does the priest tell him so? – but not one who would willingly go at war with the Church. People who think so actually leave the Church in actual fact, and this is just not happening, at least not on a vast scale.


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