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Prayed he would die before having to celebrate the Novus Ordo: Saint Padre Pio.

Prayed he would die before having to celebrate the Novus Ordo: Saint Padre Pio.

On Father Ray Blake’s blog  there is an interesting blog post touching on various topics.

What I found particularly worth mentioning is this section, that I allow myself to reproduce in its entirety (emphasis mine):

At the heart of St Vincent’s words is the notion of continuation, a timelessness and universality, ‘always, everywhere and by all’. The understanding of Catholic merely as ‘universal’ is a foreshortening, it is the timelessness of it that is important. In many ways the dismantling of the ancient liturgy following VII undermined the sense of ‘always’. If the worship after 1968 could be changed, so could the content of ‘the faith’ and if the changes were enforced from above, from Rome then surely this is also the source of ‘the faith’, Again, if the liturgy could vary so widely from Mass at the High Altar of Brompton Oratory, with traditional vestments and music and in Latin to Father X sitting on a bean bag wearing just a stole making it up as he went along, why could ‘the faith’ not also be variable. Despite its intention VII taught, subliminally at least, especially through the liturgy, that Catholicism was what Ratzinger would define as ‘Relativistic’, most importantly of all by Father quite literally turning his back on that which was held holy by past generations, if not smashing it with a sledgehammer.

‘The faith’ post VII, was not the faith of the previous generations, it was in a state of flux. The movement of the Blessed Sacrament in some diocese from the centre of the apse to a side chapel or a tabernacle in the corner of the sanctuary and rubrics restricting the genuflections of the priest, said what we believed yesterday about the Real Presence is not what we believe today, similarly the change in funeral rites from sombre black, the Dies Irae, intercession for the dead to Mass in thanksgiving for the life of the dead person brought in a serious undermining of one of Catholicism most important certainties about death and judgement, again it said what we believed yesterday, we do not believe today.

I agree wholeheartedly with Father Blake’s reflection. 

To me, the consequence of this is brutally clear: the Novus Ordo must die

It is absolutely true that the very fact that the Mass of the Ages has changed suggests that the content of the faith can be changed in the same way. The fact that this is simply not true does not change an iota in the collective perception; particularly if we consider that the New Rite was introduced exactly to signal the changes (not doctrinal, of course) going on in the Church.

The new mass destroyed mass attendance, and severely damaged the way Catholicism is perceived. This in turn caused the almost disappearance of the grandmother (correctly) teaching the faith to her nephews. Said nephews remained exposed to a priest that was, in many cases, a phony and a coward, desperately trying to look cool and to be popular. I could mention half a dozen of those from my youth without any effort. We all despised them and found them pathetic, and very unmanly. Then one wonders that there is a lack of vocations.

But really, the biggest bomb that was made to explode under the edifice of the Church was the introduction of the Novus Ordo. The Novus Ordo was wrong even before all the abuses that followed its introduction, because its very being “new” and its desire to signal “novelty” had to, had to, *had to* lead to those abuses and to the raping of the Catholic Faith. 

Lex Orandi, Lex Credendi, Lex Vivendi.

Get the Traditional Mass, and you will end up with Pope Pius XII.

Get the Novus Ordo, and you will end up with the Bishop of Rome, Jorge Bergoglio.


Posted on August 8, 2013, in Catholicism, Conservative Catholicism, Traditional Catholicism and tagged , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 16 Comments.

  1. The Novus Ordo must die. Yet both Benedict XVI and Francis have applied their rather different views of the Traditional Mass to the task of shoring up the Novus Ordo. God spare us from this trajectory.

  2. I don’t understand why God allowed things to be smashed on such a cosmic scale.

    • We are being punished, I am afraid. And the clergy will be punished the hardest for the veritable rape of Catholicism they have staged in the last 50 years.


  3. I guess it is the problem of evil. Original sin. Man wanting to be like God.

  4. Dear Mundabor,

    You know how much I agree with you on this one!

    However, in our previous lively debate on this very topic, you took issue with me saying that my family and I do not attend Novus Ordo under any circumstances. And yet here you are saying that the NO must die (which I wholeheartedly agree with).

    So, my question is, if NO must die, then what better way is there to kill it off than if Catholics, ALL Catholics, simply stop going to it?

    For us we have the indult in our city. If that goes away, we shall go to the Society even if it means driving a great distance. If that is not available we will shoot for the Ukrainian rite which is currently available in our city. If that goes away, we will pray the mass in our home with a candle in our window and wait….

    • The Church is not a democracy, and the NO will not die because people refuse to attend it. Rather, countless souls will be lost, because they think it is preferable to attend no Mass than even a bad Novus Ordo.

      I have been saying since this blog inception that the NO must die. But as long as the powers that be do not kill it, I do not take it on myself to decide that I am too good for the Mass the Church offers me.

      This, I have said and repeated many times already.


    • Pray the mass on your home with a kindle because you are too good for the NO?

      Away from me, Satan!


    • Pray the mass on your home with a candle because you are too good for the NO?

      Away from me, Satan!


  5. Do you have a source for the note above about Padre Pio?

    • “Padre Pio, The True Story”, C. Bernard Ruffin.

      This is also where I read about Padre Pio’s vision of Pius XII in heaven the day he died.

      It is an excellent book, whose reading I can only recommend.


  6. We have no SSPX, no Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter parishes where I live. We have one reverent NO parish at the Cathedral in the capitol city with ultra beautiful music but it is rather far from our home. Most weeks we must attend a local “Our Lady of Pizza Hut”. I tell my children that no matter how buffoonish the priest, no matter how insipid the music, no matter how questionable what is being preached from the pulpit, we go to Mass weekly to honor and thank God and to receive Him, body and blood, soul and divinity in the Eucharist. I tell them no one has what we have in the Eucharist.

    • T-H-A-T!!!

      Excellently put, Akita-ette.

      If this has to be the suffering of our generation, let us suffer it as graciously as we can.

      The next generation might have to deal with a much harsher version of suffering.


  7. “If the worship after 1968 could be changed, so could the content of ‘the faith’ ”

    Of course it could. And this is why questions of faith and practice are never really settled today. Pope JPII can proclaim that women cannot become priests but every year the question is asked again, by the press, by womyn-priest activists, by radical nuns, by civil rights agitators. Catholic blogs respond with incredulity and ridicule, saying “What part of “No” don’t you understand?” But they’re fully justified in replying, “The part that forbade immodesty and unchastity, lazy syncretism posing as ecumenism, cowardly accommodation and gutless surrender to famous Catholics brazenly supporting and promoting abortion and other evils. All those “Nos” that used to be characteristic of Catholicism and no longer are. Why should this “No” be any more permanent?”

    • Well, my answer to that is that bad practice doesn’t change the rules, merely the number of priests and faithful going to hell.

      But yeah, you say to the people “make a mess in your diocese”, of course they will.


  8. Thank you, Mundabor, for this post. I’m catching up since we were away for a couple weeks. I’ve never called myself a TLM-only Catholic, but year after year, I’ve become more convinced that every Novus Ordo parish is sliding inexorably to ruin, though the slope for each individual parish may be more or less steeply inclined than others.
    I would love to attend a TLM every Sunday and to call myself a TLM-only Catholic, but
    since we are not yet able to do so, we go to the most reverent NO parish we can find within an affordable driving distance.
    I agree that we’re being punished. I like what Akita-ette wrote about what she tells her
    kids about the Novus Ordo Masses they attend. I’ll keep that in mind every Sunday until
    we can attend a TLM on a weekly basis.
    No, we’re not too good for the Novus Ordo, but God certainly deserves better. Until we can all offer Him our best, we’ll offer Him what we’ve got with as much love and reverence as we can muster–and all through Mary.

    • Very well said, too.

      Akita-ette beautiful words should be an inspiration for everyone tempted to be decree the unworthiness of Holy Mother Church.


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