“We Never Had It So Good”

Was Francis not paying attention?

“We never had it so good”, said the Bishop of Rome verbatim to assembled religious.

Let us put these words in the proper historical frame.

Admittedly, the Church is faring well in Africa and Asia. Amidst violent intolerance and persecution of various kind, the Church – even the weak, mediocre Church of post V II times – is certainly advancing at a notable pace. I cannot say how orthodox the new converts and the local faithful are, but it is fair to assume on average they take Christianity far more seriously than their European counterparts. In the US the situation is certainly better than in Europe, but clearly nothing to write home about. The situation of Catholicism in South America is too well-known to waste time describing it.

Directing our attention to what I think can fairly be called the historical heartland, Europe, we note the following:

Mass attendance has greatly sunk, stabilising now at a dismally low level. The average age of the churchgoers is not encouraging at all.

Catholicism has lost its grip on Southern Europe. In the last fifty years alone abortion laws have been introduced almost everywhere, divorce has been established, sodomy laws have been abolished, and Catholicism as State Religion has disappeared. A similar, often more brutal process of de-Christianisation has taken place in those countries already weakened by Protestantism.

The crisis of vocation has led to a veritable exodus from the priesthood, and to the almost total stop of new ordinations in the “mainstream” orders. Again, the situation has stabilised in the West at a low level, and there are justifiable questions marks concerning the average quality of the vocations, let alone the quality of the instruction.

Catholicism is not taught anymore. Most baptised people couldn't point out to what it is to be a Christian, and would be unable to notice a substantial difference – much less, to say in detail in what it consists – between them and their, say, Chinese and Indian non-christian friends. A vague and undetermined good-ism is their religion, and if pressed they wouldn't be able to define Christianity in any other way than with nonsensical platitudes like “do no harm” and “do not judge”.

We see the consequences of this every day. Catholic instruction in continuous decline, Catholic values also in retreat, abominations called “alternative lifestyles”, sodomites mysteriously supposed to be “happy people”, and a genocide of unborn babies as daily, almost unnoticed occurrence.

All over the West, including the periphery (South America), either Christianity has all but been reduced to irrelevance (say: the Nordic countries), or is on its way to irrelevance – like in Great Britain -, or it is obviously and rapidly eroding in its core traits (Germany, France, even Italy), or in addition to the usual problems is being strongly challenged by Protestant communities, who make massive inroads among those who still take Christianity seriously (think of Brazil).

Francis spoke to an Italian audience; an audience of religious who must perforce have this erosion of Catholic values in front of their eyes every day. There is no chance Francis would, or could, just ignore their situation speaking of the Church with them. Nor did he, as he could have done, point out to the successes of the Church in some parts of the planet, whilst obviously mentioning the great difficulties in traditional Catholic territory.

No, Francis did not do it. His enthusiasm is unqualified. It is not even the fruit of hopeful optimism, the expectation of a turnaround to come. It is the celebration of the situation as it is now.

Now let us reflect on his words in the light of what we have learnt of this man in these last six months. Is he so blind, or so utterly gaga, that he cannot see the huge societal changes that have completely ravaged traditionally Christian – and Catholic – societies in his own lifetime? Has he forgotten the time when abortion was the preserve of Nazi Germany and Communist countries, divorce a taboo in all Catholic ones, sodomy universally considered an abomination akin to pedophilia and incest, the churches full, and a strong Christian spirit at the root of all Western societies, even those prevalently Protestant?

Can you believe that? I cannot. Truly, I cannot.

My reading of Pope Francis' words is a different one. His religion is not made of rigid defence of Catholic values, evangelisation, Catholicism as State Religion – demolished by the Vatican itself, by the way -, abortion as murder, sodomy as abomination, mass attendance as obligation, & Co.

His religion is made of inclusiveness, tolerance, and dialogue. He clearly believes that only the very worst – if any – go to hell. Conversion to Catholicism is not important to him. Not even conversion to Christianity, in fact, is, though no doubt he seems to believe it would add a lot of “joy” to the life of people now discovering they can't fornicate and abort at pleasure anymore (which is true in the ultimate sense, but not in the sense in which “joy” would be understood by the recipients of the message). He is fully unconcerned about the crisis of vocations; so much so, that when he sees empty seminaries and convents he thinks not how to fill them with seminarians and religious again, but how many people could be put there.

He is also fully unconcerned that the country with the biggest number of Catholics on the planet is about to introduce abortion; so much so, that he travels there and doesn't make of it I do not say the only theme of his visit – which would have been utterly justified – but not even a secondary one. He is fully unconcerned about sodomites in his entourage, and even allows himself arrogant jokes of extremely questionable taste about this alleged gay lobby members not having their own ID; but he is “concerned” when the faithful… count their rosaries; the rosaries they pray for him.

His respect for the laws of the Church is well seen at the liturgical abuse he committed himself on Maundy Thursday – yes, it's a liturgical abuse even if the Pope commits it; a Pope can change the rules, not ignore them ad libitum – and his understanding of religious reverence is also well seen at the football shirt and beach ball he left at the altar of the Blessed Virgin in Santa Maria Maggiore. As to his liturgical views, the Pinocchio Mass tells you everything you need to know. From one who authors a book together with a Jewish buddy of his who supports so-called same-sex marriage, frankly it would have been difficult to get much better. From his Lex Credendi you can clearly imagine his Lex Orandi, even without the YouTube videos.

This is Francis' Lex Credendi, then; and at this points, the pieces fall into place.

A person thinking in this way must, in fact, think that Church never had it so good. Never have there been so many “non-judgemental” Catholics around. Never have there been so few conservative “Pelagians”. Never have so little rosaries been prayed, much less counted. Never has the fake parody Francis smuggles for Catholicism been so vastly followed. Never has Catholicism been so “inclusive”, uninterested in evangelisation, indifferent to the murder of countless babies, blind to perversion, accepting of every behaviour under the sun, not fearful of hell, forgetful of the commandments, & Co, & Co.

Truly, Francis' fantasy church never had it so good.



Posted on September 19, 2013, in Catholicism, Conservative Catholicism, Traditional Catholicism and tagged , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 39 Comments.

  1. I’m pretty sure the Brit rag title has a double entendre, as Elton likely took David up elsewhere….just sayin’!

  2. Having it good and hard, and getting it badly.

  3. I was wondering if you would comment on this little gem he let out the other day. I’m glad you did and you sum it up very well.
    Notice that this tidbit of us never having it so good has not been picked up by the reading Francis through Benedict crowd. What do I hear? Crickets chirping as they say…

    At this point, I cannot decide whether it’s that he is truly non compos mentis…gaga as you so succinctly put it Mr. M…or just malicious. The devil can use either to attain his goal. As every good Catholic must pray for the Pope and I do…but I never imagined it would ever come to praying for the Pope’s…um…sorry …bishop of Rome’s conversion. Usquequo Domine?!

  4. St. Benedict's Thistle

    And for confirmation of your worthy post, please read the comments to the WaPo piece the Anchoress (Elizabeth Scalia) has written. It is titled: “Is the world making an idol of Pope Francis?”


    • Well it seems to me that she is on her way…

      Scalia is already known for “extreme Pollyann-ing” (the search function is your friend) so I can’t say I am surprised.


  5. You’re really going to like the Holy Father’s latest interview. Hoo-Boy!

  6. LOVE reading this blog btw.

  7. Perhaps we are being punished by God with this Pope. I guess we deserve it. But where does it end? Even if he were to go tomorrow, would the cardinals elect an orthodox pope? I am afraid we are stuck for years to come.

    • I do think we are being punished. Unless something big happens, we will be punished for a long time, as Francis provides his little Bergoglini with a red hat.

      There is a rumor the first consistory is imminent, cue the Mueller and Nichols of the world care for more devastation in the year to comes.


  8. Mundabor, I’m just shocked, disgusted at the interview that bergoglio (I wont capitalize his name anymore) gave to jesuit magazine Civiltá Cattolica, he said the church can’t get “obsessed” with abortion, homosexuality and anticonception and he went further in his justfication of homosexuality by saying that “spiritual matters should not intrude into personal life” he also added that when he was in Buenos Aires he received many letters from homosexuals complaining about the church attitude toward them, bergoglio defined them as “socially wounded people”. If my grandmother were alive she would inmediatly die again! this is satanic to say the least. He’s quickly returning the favor to the monstrous, homophile, feminist, murderous, anti-Christian, leviathanic lobby that helped him to beat Ratzinger.

    • I have read.

      Every day is a new provocation.

      I will digest it (if it is digestible; alternatively, vomit) and comment on it when I can do it without writing words I would repent of having written.

      I am, in the meantime, very curious to read how the neoconservative crowd will spin this.


    • First Francis spins his comments (as observed by our Mundabor) and then the mainstream professional Catholics will explain the comments to us because we are dimwitted. Meanwhile, the knot in my stomach tightens more and more with each word spilling from Francis’s lips. Something is wrong, deeply wrong. I know it. I feel it. So do other likes minds.

    • As I see it, it’s very simple.

      Either this man is fishy, or 2000 years of Catholicism.


  9. Mundabor, your blog just gets better and better. I found myself smiling after singing the Asperges last Sunday.

  10. Don’t expect The Brick By Brick Bund to object. It is too busy denouncing as spittle-flecked nutters those who objected to what The Pope did to the Franciscans.

    In his denial of reality, the Brick By Brick Bund Baron is in his bird-feeding bunker rearranging his Holy Cards and trying to convince his own self that every is just fine.

    He reminds me on another reality-denying German in his bunker insanely making plans and issuing orders..

  11. radjalemagnifique

    You may have noticed that I didn’t write much these last times. The reason is that – though I am a regular reader of this blog – I’m too disgusted (I don’t say desperate, not yet) by every post concerning the bishop of Rome and his colleagues worldwide. Adding my own comments would take me days, and change nothing of the situation.

    But : I came recently across an Internet site which is caricaturating the said bishop and all the rest with an immense sense of humor, very witty, very finely written, a real pleasure for the spirit. So I would suggest my fellow readers who are a bit sore about the present state of our Church’s leaders (should I say « Führers » ?) to have a look on this site before going to sleep ; I bet you will go to bed with a smile.


    Radja le Magnifique

  12. Well, by now we don’t need the gift of discernment anymore to find out which kind of spirit “inspired” the election of Jorge Bergoglio. Once again (I see you have already received some comments about it), from his by now infamous interview, according to Rorate:

    “I think the decision of Pope Benedict [his decision of July 7, 2007, to allow a wider use of the Tridentine Mass] was prudent and motivated by the desire to help people who have this sensitivity. What is worrying, though, is the risk of the ideologization of the Vetus Ordo, its exploitation”
    Of course, Brother Jorge. As long as traditional Catholics do not leave the plantation appointed for them by their modernist masters, it’s acceptable for them to have their decadent vestments and incense and prayer in outdated languages and their slightly ridiculous rigid rubrics and all that. If they like it, if that’s their “sensitivity”, who are you to judge, eh?
    But what if they want their Mass not because it feels good, but because it contains the true theology? As opposed to the error-ridden, equivocal new one? If they want the Sacrifice of the Mass and not some strange supper on Sunday mornings? Well, that is a problem. That, my friend, is ideology. We must not accept it.

    Sorry, Brother Jorge. We will not give up the Mass of the Ages. We will not give up true traditional Catholic theology. We do not want your fast-food feel-good modernism. And we do not want your version of the Vetus Ordo, which is just another Trojan Horse designed to lure the remnant of the faithful away from spiritual nourishment towards well-adjusted non-offensive silence on all matters that really count. That, Brother Jorge, is exactly what converts like me are fleeing from. If I had wanted fuzzy modernism, I could have remained an atheist or a protestant.

    Let me close with Tolkien, another evil regressive traditionalist, with a quote that might, at first, seem totally unrelated:

    “Blessed are the timid hearts that evil hate
    that quail in its shadow, and yet shut the gate;
    That seek no parley and in guarded room,
    though small and bate, upon a clumsy loom
    weave tissues gilded by the far-off day
    hoped and believed in under Shadow’s sway.”

  13. Mundabor,
    sorry, can’t resist posting this. After my last comment I started reading again (for the 100th time at least) the wonderful poem “Mythopoeia” I quoted. I came upon this strangely fitting passage as a poetic answer to the “we never had it so good” crowd led by the Bishop of Rome:

    “I will not walk with your progressive apes,
    erect and sapient. Before them gapes
    the dark abyss to which their progress tends
    if by God’s mercy progress ever ends,
    and does not ceaselessly revolve the same
    unfruitful course with changing of a name.”

  14. Michael Voris played his wild card-Cardinal Burke.
    And a blogging priest jumped through his latest and most impossible hoop.

    • Voris was very unlucky in that Francis made his “never so good” remarks on the same day when he criticised those priests who make exactly the same remarks.
      The problem with Francis is that even if you try to avoid him, he will come with the next load of nuCatholic rubbish and unload it in a way that is simply impossible to ignore.

      Still, please have for understanding for the situation of the two. Voris is probably trying to find a way to say what must be said, and the other one is a priest, which makes it difficult for him, certainly much more difficult than for me. There is a matter of loyalty there that makes things more complicated.

      You don’t expect even Rommel to go against Hitler; not until you think Hitler is destroying Germany, I mean… when you are a soldier you soldier on, I guess; trying to limit the damage and the scandal. I am not employed by that particular army, and think I not only can, but must say that the Commander In Chief is a damn disgrace.


  15. Veronique Audouin. You are absolutely, right the remarks reported on the national media here in Ireland are absolutely horrendous. This may be a real watershed moment for his papacy. The disaffected clergy here are delighted with him. I sense something major is imminent. God help us all.

  16. “I am, in the meantime, very curious to read how the neoconservative crowd will spin this.”

    What about Voris, M?

    Be interesting to see if he manages to avoid criticising the good Bishop.

  17. Reblogged this on Catholic4Life and commented:
    Francis the Heretic, I mean Pope Francis, is increasingly scandalous with each passing day. I wish he wouldn’t speak, every time he opens his mouth he spews verbal rubbish! Parce, nobis Domine!

  18. “He is fully unconcerned about the crisis of vocations; so much so, that when he sees empty seminaries and convents he thinks not how to fill them with seminarians and religious again, but how many people could be put there.”

    Well, given how his own seminary fairly emptied out while he was in Buenos Aires, I dare say he’s used to it.

    Which is not to say it would have been *easy* for any ordinary put in there the last fifteen years. But at least in Argentina, a fair number of people still go to Mass, so a shortage actually means something. In Western Europe and the northeast of the US or Quebec, we have the ironic consolation that the shortage of Mass attending laity is making the whole thing a moot point. There is going to be a terrific winnowing down of parishes and schools in the next ten years to dwarf anything seen so far.

    I think the problem is that he’s still too captive to the situation in the Southern Cone. He doesn’t seem to grasp that the audiences in the Northern Hemisphere hear him through very different filters, because their societies are far more aggressively secularized. These are societies where hardly anyone believes in sin (unless it is the sin of intolerance for certain prejudices), or that they’re capable of it. Moral rigorism isn’t the danger for us.

    • Well I will be blunt here.

      I doubt that he believes in sin as the cause of anything more serious than a mild discomfort in this life and a mild rebuke in the next.


    • Bergoglio thinks that a convent full of poor people (of any religion) is better than a convent full of nuns. I think his love of the poor is more a fetish than actual love … his doctrine of “poorism” is to the church what snobism to aristocracy. I visited argentina in 2010 and 2010 with a dutch friend who wanted to know the born place of the queen Maxima and I noticed the huge amount of religious sincretism that exist in argentina, which in theory is a catholic country, an argentine woman told me it is a dirty secret that they don’t want us to know. The ruling elite that controls media loves to show an image of Argentina as an european-like country. but beyond the potemkin town presented for tourists things differ greatly from the official version.
      All across Buenos Aires (even around churches) there are coutless “santerias” (esoteric stores) around, on their shelves one can see stattuetes of african deities, devils next to catholic saints and all kind of strange pagan paraphernalia. I think these facts are key to understand (but not to agree with) Bergloglio diluted catholicism.

  19. One other point:

    “His enthusiasm is unqualified. It is not even the fruit of hopeful optimism, the expectation of a turnaround to come. It is the celebration of the situation as it is now.”

    Sometimes I wonder: What does he really think the situation is? I’m willing to believe that he knows the situation in the Southern Cone fairly well. At least, I hope he does. But does he really grasp what the situation is in the developed world? I don’t want to set one Pope against another, but I am minded to recall something Joseph Ratzinger once said all the way back in 1991, when he remarked on a strange phenomenon he observed in conjunction with the utter collapse of the Church in the Netherlands after Vatican II. He pointed out that by every statistical measure the Church in the Netherlands was collapsing and yet, strangely, at the same time an atmosphere of “general optimism” was prevalent that seemed blind to the actual situation.

    “I thought to myself: what would one say of a businessman whose accounts were completely in the red but who, instead of recognizing this evil, finding out its reasons, and courageously taking steps against it, wanted to commend himself to his creditors solely through optimism? What should one’s attitude be to an optimism that was quite simply opposed to reality?” (Ratzinger, The Yes of Jesus Christ, pp. 39-40)

    • Absolutely right.
      Francis is, like all of his ilk, in denial.
      And he is in denial because to admit the difficulties would equate to an open declaration of the bankruptcy of nuChurch and the personal utter failure of himself and those like him.

      Therefore, “we never had it so well”.


  20. You’d think a Pope who most Americanists chirp about being a secret devotee of “liberation theology” would at least crack down on people like George Weigel right? Nope.realize this-Weigel will continue going about spewing his Americanist propaganda while traditionalists will be suppressed.

  21. The go to place for all things Franciscus is here…poor formation + naievity = Franciscus

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