Who Said This?

Oct 18

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“If a person says that he met God with total certainty and is not touched by a margin of good. For me, this is an important key. If one has the answers to all the questions—that is the proof that God is not with him. It means that he is a false prophet using religion for himself. The great leaders of the people of God, like Moses, have always left room for doubt.”

1. Bertrand Russell

2. Pope St. Pius X

3. Justin Welby

4. Pope Francis

5. St. Francis

6. Eugenio Scalfari

6. Stephen Fry

7. Pope Benedict XVI.

8. Padre Pio

Mundabor

 

Posted on October 18, 2013, in Traditional Catholicism. Bookmark the permalink. 8 Comments.

  1. gt143jb's avatar gt143jb | October 18, 2013 at 11:50 pm

    Survey says: Pope Francis said it but he doubts he really meant it. Now that my friends is true humility.

    George Brenner

  2. Old Evangelization (@evangelizare)'s avatar Old Evangelization (@evangelizare) | October 19, 2013 at 12:44 am

    Is this quote talking about the same Moses who was prevented from entering the Promised Land because he left room for doubt?

    • Mundabor's avatar Mundabor | October 19, 2013 at 9:07 am

      No. Well, erm, yes!

      But I mean, It’s the same Moses who said – you can read it in Bergoglio’s Bible – “am I really sure That was God? What if I am having hallucinations? I should tell my people not to be too sure. If they see I have excessive doctrinal security I am in deep trouble”

      M

  3. maccuscuria's avatar maccuscuria | October 19, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    This is what ‘does my head in’ with Pope Francis. There are a number of separate issues in these two sentences:

    If a person says that he met God with total certainty and is not touched by a margin of good. For me, this is an important key.”

    What is the key? The total certainty or the margin of good? Many Saints of the Church have encountered what St. Therese of Lisieux called a “night of nothingness”. However, as Pope and as leader, Francis cannot spread doubt and confusion. If he wants a contemplative life then he should follow this road. Moses, so far as I know, never doubted God or had any doubts about his given mission. – initially, just whether he could accomplish it.

    I am sorry to say this but this reminds me of a scene out of ‘Being There’ where Peter Seller’s foolishness is mistaken as great wisdom.

  4. maccuscuria's avatar maccuscuria | October 19, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    Sorry to labour the point however, there is this:

    “If one has the answers to all the questions—that is the proof that God is not with him.”

    The Church does not claim to have answers to all the questions, just those answers revealed by Scripture, Tradition, reason and preserved as doctrine, dogma and as a body of moral teaching. For example, sufficient and efficacious grace/salvation and reprobation, as you pointed out, remains open and shrouded, for now, in mystery.

    He creates a ‘straw man’.

  5. vermontcrank1's avatar vermontcrank1 | October 19, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    Dear Mundabor. Check-out this new Glossary by a man with a neat S/N

    Ralph Roister-Doister said…

    Novus Subsistens, or, Glossary of The New Catholicism

    Catholic liberalism: Catholicism is whatever the New Guy says it is that is in accord with what the secular intelligentsia says it is.

    Catholic conservatism: Catholicism is whatever the New Guy says it is for as long as and not one minute longer than he is the New Guy, after which we wait for the New New Guy to start talking.

    The New Catholic Evangelism: Catholicism is whatever the New Guy says it is that is in accord with whatever Robert McAfee Brown said it was.

    Lay Leaders of the New CAtholic Evangelism: Catholicism is whatever the New Guy says it is that is in accord with whatever Robert McAfee Brown said it was as long as the check is in the mail.

    Jesuits: Catholicism is whatever the New Guy says it is that does not contradict what we say it is.

    Prominent Ex-Protestant “Converts” Who Are Lay Leaders of the New Catholic Evangelism: Catholicism is whatever the New Guy says it is that does not contradict what we say it is.

    The New Guy: Catholicism is whatever the secular intelligentsia says it is salted with non-essential Catholic buzz words.

    Traditional Catholics: schismatics.