The Temple, The Jews, And The Pope.

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And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,

Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.

For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,

And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

Luke 19:41-45.

Our Lord beholds Jerusalem, and cries. He is not simply sad, or disappointed. He is afflicted to the point of crying. 

He proceeds, then, to tell why, and he make a chilling prophecy: this mighty city will be besieged, and after the siege it will be completely destroyed, with not even children being spared.

Why is this? Because “thou knewest not the time of thy visitation”.

If one believes in the Gospel (and I am sure there are around Catholics who do not; or do not really; or do only when it is convenient to them) you must realise that the extremely clear words of Our Lord mean very simply that Jerusalem has not recognised the Lord, and therefore it is be destroyed and countless suffering inflicted upon its inhabitant, as a fitting punishment for their collective wickedness. 

Note here the absolute absence of gandhi-like good-ism. The punishment will be terrible. The destruction thorough. The sins of the fathers will be visited upon the sons. Not even the children will be spared.

Now, if you are a “progressive” “c”atholic you will obviously think that Jesus was anti-Semite, or otherwise very prejudiced; or, more probably, you will say that this is not what Jesus really said, and some evil Evangelist or racist compiler must have caused the whole mess. But if you are a good Christian, you will simply know that the Scripture isn’t questioned, because God would never allow supposed evil Evangelists or racist compilers to transmit to us an adulterated Truth.

There can, therefore, be no doubt that the Jews are punished for not recognising Christ. They are punished in the harshest, and I mean truly harshest of ways.

In 70 A.D. the Romans besiege Jerusalem. The prophecy is fulfilled to the word. It is a short siege, and in the same year in which it started the siege ends with the conquest of the city. 

The Romans, fed up with the continuous rebelliousness of the Jews more than 130 years after Pompey had put the place under de facto Roman domination, went on the job with Roman thoroughness. They made the point particularly forcefully by breaking the strongest taboo of the Jews, on which their entire religion hinged: they destroyed the temple, brought the spoils to Rome, and celebrated the feat with a solemn procession over there, as clearly seen in the reliefs of Titus’ Arch in Rome. 

There could have been not only no worse military defeat, but even no worse religious humiliation for the Jews, whose entire religion was made to pieces in front of their very eyes as the Temple was reduced to rubble and ruins. 

 

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I have already written how the renting in two of the temple veil spells  the symbolic end of the Old Covenant, opening the sancta sanctorum whose function of sacred space has now clearly ended. But in this post I would like to stress out another one or two inconvenient truths: 

1. The untold humiliation is prophesied by Jesus, and

2. It is declared by Him the fitting punishment for not recognising Christ.

These are the crude facts. There is no fluffing around. They may be embarrassing for wannabe political correct “c”atholics who are little more than heathens, but it is what it is.

Judaism has no reason to be. It is past “sell by” date, big time. The point has been made from Jesus and the Roman legions so clearly, that only the professional blind can refuse to see it.

Whilst there can be (obviously) birth or (less obviously) invincible ignorance, there is no valid motive for being a Jew. No more than there is for being a Muslim, a Hindu, or a Sikh. We Christians may look at Judaism as certainly, and for obvious reasons,  nearer  to Christianity than Islam or Hinduism; but Judaism is nevertheless a different religion and, just to leave out any doubt, a false one

There is only one way, and it is Christ. Not recognising Christ led the Jews to untold suffering. They follow a wrong religion. They are conversion material. That’s it. There’s no way you can get around this.

Would I expect Francis to go to Jerusalem and say all these things to the Jews? Well, not necessarily. The Pope is also a Head of State, and the rules of diplomacy demand that he, whenever in his official role of Head of State, behaves according to the rules of diplomacy. 

But then again this was a visit officially considered as “purely religious”, but with meetings with the heads of both the Israeli Government and the Palestinian Authority. Therefore, it wasn’t so “purely religious” after all. 

If you ask me, a Pope could, and perhaps should, meet everyone: Jews, Hindus, Sikh, and the like. But he should meet them to bring Christ to them, not to hide Christ from them. If this is not possible for whatever reason, then there should be no meeting, because the evangelisation should be the priority, and if there can be no evangelisation there can only be confusion, and the further spreading of the diffused heresy that everyone is fine where he is, provided he is a nice chap with a good heart. 

I wonder if Francis ever stopped to ponder over Jesus’ words above. If he did, he will have to recognise that the Jews were met with a horrible punishment and untold humiliation because of their refusal to recognise Christ.

One wonders what the punishment of a Pope will be who, in the very same place, does pretty much the same.

Mundabor

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Posted on June 2, 2014, in Catholicism, Conservative Catholicism, Traditional Catholicism and tagged , . Bookmark the permalink. 19 Comments.

  1. This is why inter-religious dialogue is a waste of time. If you’re not going to preach Christ to the unconverted, why bother?

  2. Mundabor, interested in your thoughts here:

    What about the idea of a perfectly proper meeting between the pope and representatives of another religion that isn’t for evangelization nor for any kind of inter-faith kumbaya-fest.

    What about the pope summoning a meeting with leaders of another religion to press proper Catholic concerns, interests, and values? For instance, the pope holding a meeting with Islamic leaders to demand that Catholics in Islamic lands be treated better? Or to tell leaders in Judaism that they must show greater respect for the unborn?

  3. It’s also noteworthy that the “wailing wall” depicted is NOT remains of the Temple, but is ruins of the Roman fortification. Not one stone of the Temple was left on another, as prophesied. With destruction of that temple also went all records of the Old priesthood, thus no possibility to validate heredity on account of the ensuing diaspora.

    • I always struggle to remember how Rabbinical Judaism justifies its existence….

      M

    • The Wailing Wall is a part of the Herodian retaining towardswall in the south-west corner of the Temple platform. There was never a Roman fortress there– the Fortress Antonia was in the north-west corner of the Herodian Temple platform. The platform was huge.

  4. FYI, vivacristorey2, Orthodox Judaism claims that its followers have been tracking who does and does not descend from the priesthood and the levites during these past 1,900+ years. During an Orthodox Judaic sabbath service where the scriptural reading is divided into 7 parts and 7 congregants are selected to say a ceremonial blessing over one of each of the reading portions, the first one is reserved for somebody supposedly from the priesthood, and the second one is reserved for somebody supposedly from the levites.

    • I know of Judaism less than Francis on Catholicism, but if I remember correctly a major problem is that the entire Jewish religion is based on God’s promise to be on their side, to stay with them. The Ark of the Covenant is, in fact, just that: a witness of a Covenant on which Judaism is based.

      If this is so – and if memory serves, it is so – then it is clear that the destruction and plundering of the Temple contradicts in the most brutal of ways all that the Covenant stands for, showing with blood-stained eloquence that God is not (anymore) on the side of the Jews.

      In any way, it is difficult not to see in the destruction of the temple, even from a Jewish perspective, something more drastic than a problem of priestly succession.

      M

  5. To Vivacristore: can you provide me with a reference that the Wall is actually a Roman one?
    Thank you

  6. askelm.com/temple/t000701.htm

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2065254/Coins-Jerusalems-Western-Wall-hints-sacred-site-older-Herod.html

    Regarding the hereditary priesthood, certainly some will claim to be “in the know”, but according to the Old Law, such claims are considered spurious without benefit of the incredibly precise records which that law required for proof. At the time of the siege, all records were destroyed and the Jews were scattered, precluding either proof or even corroboration of lineage.

  7. vivacristo rey & rosy…..

    I visited Jerusalem back in 1997, as far as I can remember the Dome of the Rock is a rock structure with deep fissures. Underneath the Golden Dome there is the actual Dome of the rock, the bare undressed rock is visible as I walked round I was surprised to see a small natural cave underneath the Dome, if you imagine the rock as a crust type structure directly under the Golden Dome.

    As for the Western Wall, what the Herod did was fill in the natural fissures in the rock with massive cut stones which created a massive esplanade on top of the hill if you Google map the area this esplanade takes in the Al Aqsa mosque and the Golden Dome….a very large area….allegedly it was one of the greatest building projects of antiquity…..then they built the Temple on top of the Esplanade…..so what we see today is part of the foundations, behind the wall structure is the natural rock with infilled areas, the western wall is part of the foundations and also part of Muslim fortifications from the early Middle Ages ….this is as far as I can remember……the Romans destroyed Jerusalem in AD 70, Jesus predicted this around forty years before. So we have to rely on tradition of the Church that Jesus did in fact say these things predicting future events. The Israelis are not short of power….coincidence that they have to pray at the foundations….???

  8. The Jews will rebuild the temple soon because they are awaiting their Messiah. The Jewish newspapers are full of this. And youtube is full of this too. There´s even a report from CBN about this.

    They even have prepared priests:
    Israeli institute prepares priests for Jerusalem’s third temple
    Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/04/third-temple-jerusalem-priest-offering-rituals-al-aqsa.html#ixzz33YlDo3Xw

    Another headline from 2007: “Temple Institute Announces: High Priest’s Crown is Ready!”

    The only obstacle to build the temple is still the Al-Aqsa Mosque.

    The feast of Hanukka that Bergoglio used to celebrate with his jewish friends wearing a kippa is also about the (second) temple.

    If you ask me the “peace prayer meeting” this coming Sunday between the pope, Peres and Abbas is in reality.all about the temple mount.

  9. The final section here (Wikipedia, in haste – there are obviously better sources on this) gives some background to the assertion that truly no stone was left upon a stone, and that the present “Western Wall” is actually the former Fort Antonia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonia_Fortress

    Who knows. Of far more interest is the fact that, as recorded in the Jewish Talmud, the miracles in the Temple, notably those associated with the selection of the “scape goat” on the Day of Atonement, ceased in the forty years prior to its destruction. That is, from around A.D. 30, and Our Lord’s Crucifixion. This is a matter of Jewish history, not Christian mythology (sic).: The Rabbis taught that forty years prior to the destruction of the Temple the lot did not come up in the [high priest’s] right hand nor did the tongue of scarlet wool become white… (Talmud, Tractate Yoma 39b)

    As we know, Our Lord provided the final atonement for the sins of mankind, His was the final sacrifice. After this, there was no need of the sacrifice, or the “scape goat”, or the temple. And this was made very clear for all.

  10. Some evangelical Protestants are supporting those Jews seeking to rebuild the Temple and to restart the Temple sacrifices believing this to be a necessary precursor to the Second Coming.
    The ‘modernist’ Scripture scholars don’t just say that Jesus ‘meant something else’ in the quote from Luke that you make. They say that, as there were no prophecy or miracles (these are merely ‘literary devices’ apparently) that the quote is PROOF that the author wrote AFTER the siege of Jerusalem and then put those words into Jesus’ mouth!

  11. Josephus makes clear that there were a variety of signs (& voices) at the time of the prophesied siege. The Temple was the house of the Father; after the Ascension, the Temple was superseded. The end came in AD70.

    “Moreover, at that feast which we call Pentecost, as the priests were going by night into the inner [court of the temple,] as their custom was, to perform their sacred ministrations, they said that, in the first place, they felt a quaking, and heard a great noise, and after that they heard a sound as of a great multitude, saying, “Let us remove hence.”

    http://www.josephus.org/causeofDestruct.htm

    http://books.google.ca/books?id=f3KwlJSQr4cC&pg=PA232&lpg=PA232&dq=josephus+voice+let+us+depart&source=bl&ots=RwlkEvekEa&sig=0KOMC5ciDnMWdItiQKCuYOdg_6E&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ENuRU4u9ApDo8AG-1oDYDA&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=josephus%20voice%20let%20us%20depart&f=false

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