Why Men Prefer The Traditional Latin Mass

It is fairly easy to see why men prefer the Traditional Latin Mass. Whilst perhaps not many men will articulate the reasons for their instinctual preference, I would like to give a clue of why I think it is so. This is, obviously, not considering the intrinsic superiority of the TLM from a liturgical point of view. This here is, so to speak, purely hormonal as opposed to liturgical.

1) it is solemn, ordered and, in a way, military. Its rigid structure, the prescripted movements and gestures are vaguely military, and essentially manly. When you attend a TLM, you know that where the priest comes from he was one of the bulls, not one of the queers.

2) It has no women around the Sanctuary. It says out loud “this Sanctuary here is men’s space”. Or if you prefer another film quotation, it shouts: “this is Sparta!”

Whilst the Novus Ordo sanctuary may also be, blessedly, all-male if the priest is smart or endowed with cojones, in the Tridentine Mass this is a necessary element, and it makes a big difference. It’s like visiting a pizzeria as opposed to go to a fast food joint and hope they have some pizza of sort.

3) It has no repetitions of dubious value. Why the Responsorial Psalm should have one line repeated after each phrase is beyond me. Most who attend do not have Alzheimer’s. It sounds childish to me. Some Novus Ordo priests positively refuse to allow the faithful to “participate” in that fashion. I think they know why.

Mind: of course we repeat things in Catholicism. We pray repeatedly the same prayers (not Francis, of course; but we do). We repeat the ora pro nobis in a Litany. We repeat the “miserere nobis” at Mass, and the “Domine, non sum dignus” is said thrice in the Tridentine. But in all these cases, the repetition makes perfect sense as an emphasis, it does not create the impression the children should be prevented from chatting or being distracted, or may complain they are not “participating” enough.

4) There is no ugly, Protestantised greeting of the priest outside the church after Mass; a feat that now seems common in Europe, perhaps so that old hags do not complain Father neglects them. It’s like old women inviting for tea and scones, and watch out if you are engaged… Isn’t it a wonderful day, vicar? Oh, sorry: Father?

5) There is no risk of some smug septuagenarian old Sixty-Eighter thanking you for coming at Mass, as if you were doing a favour to him personally, or he were God’s Personal Assistant. You see the utter persuasion of their own holiness positively etched in their “welcome”. I am always tempted to answer “no need to thank, ma’am; I am not here for you anyway”.

I confess, never got the nerve. Must do once before I die.

6) It’s reverent and quiet. Never ever have I seen a mother colouring with his child at a TL mass, or playing with him as the mass goes on. Miraculously, people who attend the TLM always find alternative arrangements that do not include considering the Church the extension of the kindergarten. It truly is astonishing. To quote a famous movie for the third time: “A miracle! A miracle!”

None of these point touches on the proper liturgical aspects. But all of them touches on the difference between a place that attracts men as men, and causes some of them to be right there on the sanctuary one day as soldiers; and a place that reminds one very strongly of a kindergarten run by some ominicchio, or even by a limp wrist with a funny voice. Been there, seen and heard that.

Men prefer the Traditional Mass.




Posted on March 4, 2015, in Catholicism, Conservative Catholicism, Traditional Catholicism and tagged . Bookmark the permalink. 16 Comments.

  1. Another point:

    7) The nature and the lentgh of the traditional Sermon vs NO “discourses” at mass.

    Traditional mass sermons are pure hard talk on serious issues concerning our own salvation. It is a much needed thought and spiritual food for our daily spiritual combat. Masculine, concise, to the point and never longer than 10 minutes.

    Something that really put men off at NO Masses is the affeminate sermon; never concise or to the point; with clapping hands or red noses and talking non stop some kind of happy happy non sensical thoughts and where everybody is supposed to be laughing.

    I confess that something that used to put my blood into boiling point was when a nun or a layperson was invited by “father” to preach at mass on his place. That really used to put me off.

    • You must have attended in really horrible places, and the one with the “preacher” at the homily is a serious, serious liturgical abuse.
      Happily, I have never experienced the like.

      Still, I remember a lot of homilies where the “joy of Christ” was the centre. No need to defend the Faith, or have unpleasant discussions with anyone, or ever take a stance. Smile around like an idiot. You will be fine…

  2. Good points. I always think when there are ‘threes’ that we honour The Blessed Trinity! But, then I forgot – there is no God, just Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, er, I mean Spirit.

  3. Why do trad men have disdain for old ladies?

  4. “This is Sparta!” True and also made me laugh.

    I like nothing more than a low Latin mass. Quiet, reverent, and no dreaded hand shaking.

  5. “Miraculously, people who attend the TLM always find alternative arrangements that do not include considering the Church the extension of the kindergarten.”

    Indeed. That is generally the case. Reading these lines, though, I remember a really fitting exception to the rule. It was at a TLM read by an SSPX priest, and there was this middle-aged lady sitting near the back end of the pews, with a very young child that was, miraculously, completely quiet for almost the whole duration of the Mass. Then, just after the consecration, the second the Host was elevated, the holiest of holy silences having fallen over the whole church, the child gave a cry that was, of course, extremely loud in comparison. It sounded to me like a cry of joy, timed perfectly to coincide with the liturgical action. Nobody could have planned it better. Apparently the child was shouting for joy at being shown the Lord. After that everything was quiet again until after the Mass.

    Technically, it may have been inappropriate for the woman to bring such a young child to a Mass that did, after all, last more than ninety minutes, but somehow I was glad the child was there. Who else could have given that liturgical cry just at the right moment?😉

    It was, obviously, Providence…🙂

    • I think generally the TLM know when the time is right. I see very little children at the TLM, invariably extremely well behaved.

      Still, I do not think infants belong in a Mass. You can’t always count on the Holy Ghost to stop them…


    • Mundabor,
      generally you are right. Although there is value in exposing even a young child to the beauty that is a TLM. There is an atmosphere there that is very healthy to be exposed to, even if you do not yet understand what is going on. In general, fathers and mothers will know when the time is right, and their children are able to be at Mass without creating a disturbance.

      And sometimes, when parents do miscalculate, the Holy Ghost does step in and takes care of the situation just fine…🙂

    • Fine.
      Provided one does not think the Holy Ghost will make the work for him…

  6. Mundabor,
    “I confess, never got the nerve. Must do once before I die. ”
    Yes, you have to do it. I have never seen it happen myself, but it would be the obvious and perfect response, though extremely difficult to pull of spontaneously and with the right frame and tone. Delivered politely, with a sugary smile, and an appreciative nod, of course. We are just being friendly and nice.

    • That would be an idea. Just replicate their smug smile!

      But no, what I had in mind was more the “go on, make my day” expression…😉

  7. As one who grew up with the TLM, I don’t believe that people *at that time* looked at the altar as a man’s space, as you suggest. We looked at the inside-the-altar-rails area as Sacred Space where certain people had a right to be *by virtue of their office*. For Catholics of that time, that would have been ordained priests or deacons or the altar boys. It was why it also was acceptable for nuns – yes, women – to be up there cleaning the altar area – dusting, sweeping, arranging the flowers, seeing the candles were in proper order – because it was their religious vows that imbued them with that right, in our eyes. By the same token it would have been shocking equally to see lay women OR lay men swarming up onto the altar as they do today.

    I add that pre V2 Catholics thought of God as male and so it only made sense, in those long ago days, to have a male priest stand in the person of a male Christ. It would have seemed as ridiculous to us to have a female priest as to have a male Joan of Arc. I truly believe that what bugs feminists is that God is male.

    • Probably so, but again it was because the idea of the altar girl wasn’t there. And yes, this does not include the cleaning nun.

      To make another example, I never thought of being baptised as anything special. I met the first unbaptised (and not Jew) at eighteen. So you don’t think about it because it’s the only reality you know.
      Nowadays, I suspect a big minority of people around me are not baptised.

  8. I think Cardinal Burke said it very well in one of his recent interview:

    “Young men and men respond to rigor and precision and excellence. When I was trained to be a server, the training lasted for several weeks and you had to memorize the prayers at the foot of the altar. It was a rigorous and a carefully executed service. All of a sudden, in the wake of Vatican II, the celebration of the liturgy became very sloppy in many places. It became less attractive to young men, for it was slipshod.”

    Rigor, precision, excellence. This is exactly what the TLM offers.

    For me, the use of Latin is attractive because, for whatever reason, it is a language of power. It’s hard to explain, but it just sounds very forceful (maybe that’s just how my priest says it). Latin’s undeniable majesty is also highly attractive- it’s a wonderful balance of beauty, precision, and power. Everything a normal male finds attractive.

    On the other hand, I don’t think it’s coincidental that the NO has so many homosexual priests. In many cases, the entire production reeks of the theater (a notorious hotbed for homosexuals). At the NO, the priest at the center (literally in most cases), the emphasis is on the homily and his personality and charisma, the priest often sings corny songs from the 70s in an exaggerated way, holds hands, dances (tango?), comes down to the congregation to shake hands and give hugs . . . the priest is quite literally a showman. He is praised for everything except his ability to offer the sacrifice well. What sort of masculine man would be attracted to such silliness? Very few. Obviously, homosexuals love this sort of exhibitionism (I mean, look at their parades for crying out loud). I think this is part of the reason the NO has so many homosexual priests. Of course there are normal men who say the NO, but I’d say there is a disproportionate number of homosexual priests compared to those that say the TLM. Given the difference between the way the NO is usually said and TLM, this isn’t very surprising.

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