Pope Diocletian And You

Damn party poopers… It could have been such fun…

You might be tempted to think, in the horrible situation in which we are living, that we can still relax thinking that Francis will pass like everything else, and normal service will be resumed when the man kicks the bucket.

Allow me to disagree.

Francis will not be a parenthesis in the history of the Papacy. He will be remembered in centuries to come, and will be taken by theologians as example of horribly wrong Papacy until Doomsday and, I would say, beyond.

Granted, his Papacy might not be long. However, earthquakes do not take very long, either, and duration is a bad way to measure a Pontificate. Alexander VI’s wasn’t such a very long papacy (though it was long enough for the times); on the other hand, the almost legendary Sixtus V was Pope for around five years only, but what a deep impression he left…

Francis could (God pleasing) die today, and the damage he has already done would still be incalculable. He could, however, go on reigning, and do much worse still (think only of the appointment of Cardinals and Bishops). You can say that Hiroshima was a parenthesis in the great scheme of things, but it was still Hiroshima.

Francis is not even Hiroshima. We are witnessing a Papacy whose damage will soon reach (mutatis mutandis) WW I proportions. This is a man going against the Church with a hatred worthy of Diocletian. This is no time to relax.

We must (as bloggers, commenters, journalists) call for the Cardinals and Bishops to rebuke Francis and ask that he resigns. If the Catholic world out there starts to become vocal on this, courageous prelates will have the possibility to take this ball and demands that Francis converts to Catholicism or goes.

The number of heretical statements, and of occasions in which Church teaching has been obviously contradicted, are legion. And whilst some of the worst was said hiding behind the finger of Mr Scalfari (albeit the Pope never condemned any of it), all the off-the-off heresies and all the aeroplane nonsense (from “who am I to Judge?” to Catholics who “don’t have God” because they believe in absolute Truth) has been pronounced by the man’s very mouth, in front of many witnesses. If it’s not formal heresy (I do not think it is) it is in my eyes repeated public scandal, continued sabotage, and persistent open defiance of elementary Catholic teaching.

Yesterday, surfing around the Internet, I had the pleasure of noticing that Condomgate has caused the harshest condemnation yet from several Catholic bloggers. They are not relaxed at all, and very rightly so! Francis will be one day dismissed as Pope Diocletian, but only because good Catholics refuse to relax and defy this madness, not because this huge mess is dismissed as a temporary hiccup, or a pontifical cold.

Francis is clearly attacking Catholicism without any shame now, openly and frontally. Do not treat him as if he were just a temporary embarrassment. Treat him for what he is: an enemy of Christ and His Church.



Posted on December 2, 2015, in Catholicism, Conservative Catholicism, Traditional Catholicism and tagged . Bookmark the permalink. 7 Comments.

  1. “We must (as bloggers, commenters, journalists) call for the Cardinals and Bishops to rebuke Francis and ask that he resigns.”
    Indeed. There is also the strategically important knock-on effect of such actions. There is a huge mass of conservatives out there who want to keep their distance from “radical traditionalists”. Likewise, many moderates are not comfortable being seen as too conservative. This has a variety of reasons, for example economic, hierarchical or temperamental.

    As long as traditionalists stick to mild criticism, many conservatives will not dare voice criticism at all. It would make them seem as radical as those trads, which will not do for them. So they remain silent.

    But if traditionalists escalate to harsh criticism – as they have been doing for some time now – more and more conservatives will feel safe in voicing some mild criticisms themselves, because they can still keep their distance to the “radicals”, even condemn their radicalism publicly. In a way, we give them fire support by moving towards a harsher stance. The result is a broadening of the negative reaction to Francis.

    The next step will be crucial: Traditionalists need to escalate further in reaction to Bergoglios heresies. They need to establish as a normal part of traditionalism the demand that the Pope resign or be deposed. As a consequence, expressions of harsh criticism stopping short of demand for resignation will become available to “respectable” conservatives.

    Also, conservatives having moved on to harsher criticism, even moderates who do not want to be wholly identified with “conservatism” will now feel free to voice some mild criticism of Bergoglio. This again broadens the base of the negative reaction to Francis.

    In summary, traditionalists demanding resignation or deposition will give conservatives the option to intensify their criticism without being exposed to the troubles arising from being identified with pariah traditionalists, which, in turn, will allow moderates to voice their discontent in a mild mannered moderate way without being seen as “conservatives” or “wingnuts” or “extremists” by their moderate brethren. The result will be that criticism of Bergoglio will become utterly mainstream.

    So, yes, I thoroughly approve of the strategy and hereby ask Bergoglio to resign and, failing that, the bishops and cardinals to take steps to remove him from office.

  2. How is stating that Catholics who believe in the absolute Truth don’t have God, not heretical? God is the absolute Truth. He said so. Denying what God said (as the pope! – it can’t get any more surreal and evil) does not constitute heresy?

    • There is a difference between material and formal heresy. You can go on the Catholic Encyclopedia and look at the details.
      If the Pope were guilty of formal heresy, I have no doubts the likes of the SSPX would call for a council to depose him.

  3. All the evidence points to his being a formal heretic – he is constantly, publicly, unrepentingly opposing the Faith. To show the pertinacious element (the intent) of formal heresy, fair procedures are understood to require warnings and refusals to retract on foot of those warnings. Then the bishops can declare that he is guilty of formal heresy. It is scandalous that warnings/demands for retractions have not been made by even a tiny group of faithful bishops. The offence to God caused by Francis is beyond understanding and the damage to souls incalculable.

    • yeah, that would be a way, albeit to me “formal heresy” is supposed to be stronger than that, that is: not the pertinacious promotion of heresy in one way or other, through public statement, etc, but the official proclamation of some heresy *as heresy, and still to be followed*.

      However, there could be a formal warning from the bishops to distance himself from, uh, three hundred heretical statements. If he does not, a council to depose him, then the sum total of many material heresies do a heretic make.

      This is why I say he must be called to recant or resign.


  4. Formal heresy is material heresy with pertinacity in intent. Any Catholic may become guilty of formal heresy. The formal adds the intent to the material. Analagous to material and formal cooperation with evil. A person guilty of formal heresy is no longer a member of the Church, in the supernatural realm.

    • Lynda, in this case pertinacity means that one is conscious that he is at variance with the Church. He knows what he says is not what the Church says, and thinks he is right and the Church wrong. This is difficult to establish in all those cases where the heretic states that he is in line with what the Church teaches. Francis would, as I understand it, be in formal heresy only if he were to proclaim a tenet of “his” faith which he knows and proclaims to be in contrast with what the Church teaches (famous examples: sola fide, sola scriptura, TULIP, etc).
      This is, I think, the reason why the SSPX does not demand the deposition of this Pope. Which, if he were to become a formal heretic, they would most certainly do.

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