Nasty Pope of Horrors

“Feed me!!”

The SSPX took its stance about Traditionis Carnifices and it is, as expected, a devastating blow to the Church of Francis. I suggest that you read the letter in its entirety, because it is very instructive and Pagliarani does have a very entertaining writing style.

One aspect I would like to stress in a particular way, is that Pagliarani states that we are now done with the “Hermeneutic of Continuity”. Well, only six days ago I have written exactly the same, so it’s not that I wasn’t pleased.

The “Hermeneutic of Continuity” is the attempt to present you a cake made with cream gone off as something that you should learn to appreciate in a very selective way; either because it is said that the baker was actually good and the cream was, originally, not gone off, or because the cream was always bad, but there was also a lot of marzipan, and nuts, and strawberries that were actually good.

The reasoning, as I have said many times, does not work. It is, in fact, a way to perpetuate the problem instead of working towards its solution.

First of all: the cream was already going off at the time the documents were written. As Archbishop Lefebvre and others pointed out, the vague formulations of several of the Conciliar documents were such that they allowed heterodox interpretations of Catholics truths concerning several aspects of Church life and Church doctrine (you can find a detailed explanation everywhere, so let us cut it short here). It is good to notice, here, that the good Archbishop wasn’t even a hardliner. In fact, he signed all the documents, whilst a number of bishops actually refused to do so.

Secondly, and most importantly, once it has become clear that the documents of the V II have been abused to try to fundamentally change the way the Church thinks and operate, it is clear that the cake must be thrown away in its entirety. To put in a different way, this cake now stinks so much that it is criminally stupid to try to save any part of it.

Nor does this mean that we, who take this position, do not recognise the validity of the Second Vatican Council. Of course we recognise it, we aren’t Sedevacantists! We don’t go around believing that some magic potion hypnotised the Conciliar (Step) Fathers to do something that they did not want to do. We do not say that the Council was illegal, or invalid. We say that it was bad, and spread the seeds of heresy, and these heresies have now grown to become a horrible, poisonous Argentinian plant.

You can make another comparison with the “little shop of horrors”. At the time of the council, the plant was still very little; Archbishop Lefebvre and others did not trust it, but it could still have grown to become a normal plant. Fast forward six decades, and the plant has become a monstrous organism, asking to be fed blood in every possible way, with Catholic life eroded in every aspect and even with schism now officially underway in Germany.

This plant must be killed and incinerated. There is no way we can now try to keep “what is good in it”. There is nothing good in it. It has to go.

Of course, the many parts of Catholic doctrine that the documents reiterate will stay. The fact is, they were already there. There is no need for the documents of a purely pastoral council to repeat them. Therefore, the documents of the Second Vatican Council and the entire, damned aggiornamento experiment can be thrown away without any damage for anyone.

Vatican II has grown to become an evil plant. It really has to go. All of it.

Posted on July 24, 2021, in Bad Shepherds, Catholicism, Conservative Catholicism, FSSPX, Good Shepherds, Traditional Catholicism. Bookmark the permalink. 10 Comments.

  1. Yes, the monstrosity of Vatican II must be abrogated in its entirety. There should be no question about this given the hellish place it has led us. And if that were not enough we now have a fully Vaticanized II, secularized and Communistized Pope who wishes to cleanse the Church of any and all pre-Vatican II worship and ultimately pre-Vatican II theology.

    Only the ignorant, the obtuse, the cowardly and politically motivated find value in Vatican II.

  2. The other day I went to prayer in my local Catholic Church. It is a beautiful 19th century Gothic style Church. As I fixed my gaze upon the tabernacle positioned on the high altar, it annoyed me to see the makeshift alter table obscuring this intricately designed, permanent, altar of sacrifice. It saddened me to see this usurping, altar table separated from the tabernacle where Our Blessed Lord resides. It is like the cross without Christ.
    It would be very simple to forget the Vatican II debacle, if that altar table of praise and thanksgiving were to be removed. The new Mass is the anchor and heart of the Council. I am lucky as I live twelve miles from a SSPX Mass Centre. So many people are not so fortunate and have to bear with the new Church and the artificial, altar table.

    • Don’t forget, we are not to conclude ANYTHING WHATSOEVER from the fact that when fire broke out at Notre Dame in Paris, and part of the roof fell in, it obliterated the picnic table altar but left the old high altar intact. Nothing to see here folks, move it along…

  3. V-II?
    You can tell a tree by its fruits.
    Somebody knowledgeable and important said that a long time ago.
    This particular tree was created to bear these fruits.
    A hybrid of sorts and like other man-made mutations, this “tree” needs to be cut down and destroyed.

  4. This is getting really interesting. For our part, we stopped attending the Novus Ordo seven years ago, going to a diocesan TLM. We could never go back. But all this time, while certainly distressing about the offensive non-Catholic direction Francis and the church have moved in, observing the destruction of Catholic worship and tradition, even to the point of apostasy, pachamama, etc., we lived in a kind of resigned acceptance that this was something we just had to put up with, and we lived our separate lives, not only not “following” Francis and the mainstream church, but pointedly ignoring them, due to their offensive, non-Catholic words and actions, which are typically Marxist and universalist, etc.
    But because Francis has drawn this line, has insisted we have this conversation about Vatican II, has tried to make it impossible to live and let live, then let’s have that conversation. They want to dig this open and know how it is, then let’s be frank for a change.

    In my humble opinion, Vatican II was the openly declared beginning of the end of true Catholicism, which has been used by the men who hate the faith and the church. It’s many tentacles and effects have meant millions of Catholics being unable to offer proper worship to God, who died without being properly nourished by Truth, without sacraments properly given, without proper instruction on how to live lives properly ordered to God, and it has allowed our church to be infested with the worst kind of unchaste men who simultaneously do two major things that offend God, engage in pederasty and homosexual acts, and prove these are unworthy to be priests of God by those acts and by showing they typically despise Catholicism and those who actually practice it. Cardinal Burke has stated Francis has “not the power” to ban the Holy Mass, that no one can. His statement is well worth reading.
    I’m not indicating or saying anything false at this point about Vatican II, so if a litmus test comes, this is exactly what I am saying to them. They rail against God. They really might want to look up Gamaliel in Scripture for some wisdom, because this effort of theirs will fail, and probably instigate even more interest in the Holy Mass as Usus Antiquior. I can assure all who have not experienced it, it is far superior to the Novus Ordo, even very reverently done. There is simply nothing like it closer to heaven or Christ, on this earth.

  5. This quote of yours sounds contradictory, can you elaborate? ” We do not say that the Council was illegal, or invalid. We say that it was bad, and spread the seeds of heresy, and these heresies have now grown to become a horrible, poisonous Argentinian plant.”

    • The statement is perfectly logical. There is nothing to elaborate.

    • Myrna,

      Men, who were real priests, bishops, and cardinals in the Catholic Church called a big meeting, a council, that took place in the bright light of day and which was canonically legal, valid, etc. The Pope presided over all. They talked a lot over many months and wrote it all up in documents. The world was invited to watch and the press reported on the proceedings. We can deny none of that. It is reality.

      That big meeting planted seeds which turned out to produce the biggest, ugliest, most putrid smelling, fetid, Argentine-variety fruit. Crack open or peel any of it and out explodes heresy, irreverence, banality, impurity, sloth, etc. Does that help you understand what M wrote?

  6. Re: “….the vague formulations of several of the Conciliar documents were such that they allowed heterodox interpretations of Catholics truths…”. The late, great Michael Davies called them “liturgical time bombs”, designed to go off at a later stage.

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