A dumb “c”atholic publication (no link) put out an article stating that we should stop saying that the Latin Mass is more reverent. At the end of the article, and after the usual small c catholic bloviation, it is said that if something is made to honour God (and the author add, respect others; because in NuChurch the others are deified) it is reverent.
Exactly there lies the problem.
The clapping, the noises, the chatting, the walking around at the “sign of peace”, the casual kindergarten exercises with the children, and all the rest that comes with your usual Novus Ordo are, exactly, not reverent because they lack that sense of awe, solemnity and utter respect traditional linked with the word.
Reverence is not only a matter of intention: it is in the way this intention is showed. If this were not the case, the playing of guitars in church could be considered reverent merely because the happy guitarists think they are honouring God, whilst every reasonable person would tell you that such an exercise is exactly the definition of lack of reverence. Similarly, the chanting of Gregorian chant is, by definition, reverent even if no one of the singers actually has any faith. If there is no exterior expression of the sense of awe in front of God’s power, and of deep interior submission to Him, then there is no reverence. All those soi-disant “charismatic” people with their disordered vociferating may think that they are being faithful, they may even think that they are proper worshipping God, but one thing they will never be is being reverent.
This is, to the common sense, so obvious that even those who have no contact with the Church instinctively, automatically grasp it. Countless movies have represented Catholic Traditional masses exactly in order to transmit the reverence. Nobody, who has to make a movie, would use the happy clapping and the applauses of the modern rituals instead.
It’s not even about silence, though silence is an important part of it. The Dies Irae of Giuseppe Verdi’s Requiem is, in fact, extremely loud, but nobody in his right mind would ever think that it is not reverent.
Silence, though, is a very big ingredient. Modern V II do not know any better, which is why you see them chatting in church before the beginning of mass like they were in line for cinema tickets. But hey, I am sure if you asked them, they would tell you they are doing nothing wrong.
The new liturgy has destroyed, inter alia, the sense of reverence. Masses which your average V II churchgoer would describe as “reverent” have lost almost every trace of it: but everybody feels so good when the children are called in front of the altar, or sent back to the pews, like it’s the Christmas school recital; or when the usual applause at the end of it, and everybody feels so sanctimoniously good at encouraging each other. Almost as diabetes-inducing as those namaste signs at the “sign of peace”….
We need to recover the very sense of the word, and learn from what our ancestors did for so long, if we want to restore the very basics of proper worship.
And no, almost no Novus Ordo mass can be defined as “reverent”.
Because the Novus Ordo is made exactly in order to be irreverent.
Posted on November 18, 2022, in Catholicism, Conservative Catholicism, Traditional Catholicism and tagged conservative catholicism, Liturgy, Novus ordo. Bookmark the permalink. 11 Comments.
Bravo Mundabor 👏👏👏
When you do away with objective standards, putting the Holy Ghost Seal of Approval onto your own garbage is the easiest thing in the world.
Our pastor of our small Virginia country parish was denied by our bishop to celebrate the TLM. He now celebrates the NO fully in Latin, Ad Orientum, smells/bells, communion on the tongue kneeling, no peace signs, St Michael prayer, etc…said he wants to make it as close to the TLM and in compliance with the GIRM.
It’s still the NO, but tolerable.
The NO “Ad Orientem” can be very good (I have been to one); particularly because the Latin and the entire mentality of the parish promote reverence.
Have you ever been to a Latin Mass? The screaming crying wailing noise making infants and toddlers at a Latin Mass is disruptive & irreverent. The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is SUPPOSED to be SILENT! Meaning no screaming crying wailing noise making infants and toddlers. So please – the Latin Mass has turned into a noisy daycare center.
I have been extremely reverent Latin Masses, with “order troops” speaking to parents of noisy toddlers, and to one Latin Mass where, as you said, there were disruptions (but never as bad as many NO).
Could not agree more. Thank you for voicing what I always feel when attending a novus ordo rite, e.g. a lack of reverence.
The Masses televised on EWTN seem fairly reverent.
Wonderful, very well said, Mr Mundabor. There is simply no comparison between the ancient liturgy and Traditions and the Protestantized, Judaized performances and lame entertainment passed off as Catholic today. There is a reason Bergoglio hates the TLM, and pushes the N.O. The TLM is the legit Sacrifice to atone for our sins, and the N.O. is a “living”, fellowshippy Happy Meal for the self-absorbed, narcissistic rebellious to virtue signal. I do not believe the N.O. is valid and saves souls, or this wretched antipope Bergoglio would despise it as well. An SSPX priest told me years ago (in the confessional) to not attend the N.O., and he was right.
A wise Dominican in residence at an SSPX parish who himself offered the TLM exclusively told me that the Sunday obligation holds if one is able to find a NO that was done in a minimally reverent manner. Makes sense. That is Jesus in the tabernacle, no? I had earlier had an SSPX priest tell me never to attend the NO and was confused, so the Dominican helped me in this regard.
That being said, I find the local NO repulsive with a 2 huge projector screens on each side of the sanctuary displaying the words of the Mass, caterwauling singing, unnatural cadences and intonations when the readings are done. (I think they go to special classes to learn that!). Young teens with hemlines brushing the buttocks, athletic tees on boys, kissing and embracing during the sign of peace, and so much more that is soul-crushing. But despite all this there does seem to be a hushed silence at the consecration. I go when to make the 5O-mile return trip to the SSPX mission parish is not possible. I beg Our Lord to right His Barque and take time off my purgatory for enduring the NO irreverence.
I could not have worded it any better!!