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The Bergoglio Pan makes the best waffle all the time.

Well, Father Z made my day today.

He reports a quotation from JP II. Pope Wojtyla was being interviewed by Vittorio Messori. Being one in the mould of Bergoglio, Messori asks the Pope, of all things, whether he was not “obsessive” about pro-life issues.

Now stop a moment and reflect on the forma mentis of those like Messori. To them, the unpleasant parts of Christianity are those to be glossed over as fast as one can; one who insists on such disharmony-creating ideas like fighting against abortion must, therefore, be forcibly suspected of being “obsessive”. Personally, I would be ashamed of even thinking, let alone asking, such a question to anyone, let alone a Pope. But I digress…

Pope JP II answered as follows:

The legalization of the termination of pregnancy is none other than the authorization given to an adult, with the approval of an established law, to take the lives of children yet unborn and thus incapable of defending themselves. It is difficult to imagine a more unjust situation, and it is very difficult to speak of obsession in a matter such as this, where we are dealing with a fundamental imperative of every good conscience — the defense of the right to life of an innocent and defenseless human being.”

By all the liturgical and ecu-maniacal shortcomings of Pope Wojtyla, I doubt Francis will ever express himself in such clear-cut way, even if he were to be Pope for the next 77 years. More worryingly, I doubt Francis thinks like Wojtyla did; because as I have just said, what the heart feels the mouth will tell.

Little review: what did Francis mouth tell? A generally smart commenter, signing as “the chicken”, has made the googling for us:

“We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods. This is not possible. I have not spoken much about these things, and I was reprimanded for that. But when we speak about these issues, we have to talk about them in a context. The teaching of the church, for that matter, is clear and I am a son of the church, but it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time.”

“The dogmatic and moral teachings of the church are not all equivalent. The church’s pastoral ministry cannot be obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently. Proclamation in a missionary style focuses on the essentials, on the necessary things: this is also what fascinates and attracts more, what makes the heart burn, as it did for the disciples at Emmaus.”

The difference is like the day and the night, and it is serendipitous that JP II spoke exactly about the issue of “obsession”.

Another commenter, signed David Andrew, has a rather insightful, if far too gentle, contribution:

this is a beautiful illustration of precisely why so many serious-minded, orthodox Catholics are confused and upset with the seemingly endless instances of the current Bishop of Rome making oddly-constructed statements that are then quoted out of context by the liberals. For whatever reason, Francis seems completely incapable of making an eloquent, unequivocal and direct statement in answer to a question such as this when being interviewed, thus giving the mainstream, liberal, small-”c” catholic press ample room to twist and torture his words which then sews confusion.

Well, I must disagree in that after several openly subversive interviews followed by the correction of exactly nothing, it seems clear to me who is wanting the twisting of sound Catholic teaching. Still, the point is well made: the one talks straight of unpleasant things, the other simply waffles around.

Or worse.


Don’t Expose Heresy, Says Catholic Writer

Beware of imitations.

Vittorio Messori is, or so they say, the world’s most translated Catholic writer. He is certainly rather well-known in Italy.

Messori is linked with the Medjugorje “phenomenon” (the “pastoral” word for scam, and fraud), and he travelled there already at the beginning of the apparitions. Messori now tells us that he is very worried for the fact that the Vatican is investigating the facts.

First of all, let me say that I cannot escape the impression that Messori senses – as every sensible person – that Rome is finally going to drive over Medjugorje with the steamroller.

One is worried for the loss of something he cares about. I am **not** worried about Medjugorje, because I don’t care for heresies, lies and deception. Does he?

Messori’s “worries” are as follows:


“Whatever will be the decision of the Holy See, the damage will be severe”.

What? Truth causes “damages”? Since when? Has a damage been done when, say, Arianism was uprooted?
The decision of the Holy See will put an end to the circus. Can’t imagine any better decision than this. The damage is being made now, every day.


If the International Commission of Inquiry, presided over by Cardinal Camillo Ruini, will end up ruling on the non-authenticity of the apparitions, if it made a statement of deceit, misunderstanding, perhaps of cheating, for pastoral care it would be a disaster”,

More of the same. Truth is a disaster for “pastoral care”. The sheep are stupid, you see; therefore, they can’t be asked to face the truth. And the sheep would apostatise, therefore it’s better to leave them in, with heretical beliefs and all. More “pastoral”, you see. Let us leave them in their illusions, and heretical persuasions, and let them believe in these extremely strange Blessed Virgin who changes her mind about her apparitions, thanks you for listening to her, apologises to you, asks you to pray for her intentions, says that all faiths are equal, talks to self-confessing liars, greets them saying “blessed be… Me”, says that a former Franciscan who has impregnated a nun and continues to celebrate mass after being forbidden is rather fine, and the bishop condemning him rather harsh; says to the faithful that they must disobey a bishop. I could go on.


I have met and continue to meet so many people who have changed and for whom Medjugorje is the center of their experience of faith: What would you say to them?

How about giving to the poor deluded souls answers such as : 1) that I thought that the center of one’s experience of faith were supposed to be Jesus and the Holy Church, not a sentimental wannabe new theology -cum-live-apparition; 2) that they are worshiping a golden calf in frontal confrontation with the Church founded by Christ, are or were able to follow a chap able to impregnate a nun, and think that the Blessed Virgin says that the faithful should disobey to the Bishop;  3) that people can change for the better for a number of reasons; say, because they have come into contact with Mormonism, or with the Salvation’s Army; but this doesn’t make either any less wrong; 4) that I question anyway any change that doesn’t lead to Christ, but away from Him. “The fornicating, nun- impregnating Franciscan is right, the bishop chastising him is wrong; the seer are liars but the Blessed virgin says that they are very good”. Hhmm…… if these are the good fruits I’ll have the bad ones, thanks….

These answers are just what I came up to in a couple of seconds. I am sure dozens of more arguments can be made.


But if the ruling turns out otherwise, it would still be a serious problem. Canon Law states that the local ordinary, that the Bishop is responsible for the investigation of the truth or non-truth of these cases. And it is known that in the case of Medjugorje, the two bishops (Pavao Zanic and his successor, Ratko Peric, ed) have expressed themselves strongly and without hesitation against the authenticity of the apparitions.

The argument doesn’t stand and appears rather disingenuous:
a) A Pope can always override a bishop in such matters, and this is why not even the FSSPX would see a problem in the Vatican decision to investigate Medjugorje thoroughly and, in case (and I am laughing out loud here) to express a different opinion regarding their authenticity.
b) Messori is certainly aware that the Vatican is acting not because they have any doubt about the bishops of Mostar being right, but because they are rightfully fed up with the continuous existence of this scandalous, dismal, obscene, heretical circus existing only to extract money out of people of little faith, and big credulity.
c) Messori must know that the Vatican had already announced a thorough investigation when the apparitions cease; their decision to act is therefore nothing new.  The only new element is that they have decided to act before waiting for the end of the apparitions because, very conveniently, the latter do not want to cease.

Yes, Medjugorje will never be a danger for Christianity, like Arianism once was; its own stupidity and all too apparent flaws will see to it that only a minority of very gullible people, desperate for apparitions, will continue to follow the “seers”. But frankly I don’t think that this is a reason not to act, and I’d say that the Vatican has left things go for long enough already, and that now it is really time to put an end to this.

If the bishop is not believed, then the Pope will have to be believed. If the Pope is not believed, then very harsh words will have to be spoken. If even the very harsh words are not enough, may God have mercy on those souls.

Make no mistake, the devil is behind this and his harvest will – after decades of failing to tackle the problem decisively – be abundant.

But that this be a reason to let the heresy go on undisturbed is something that only the emasculated stupidity of these post V II-times could generate.


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