October Test


We have in the past weeks read several statements from Church prelates about the fundamental impossibility to reconcile Jesus' teaching about the indissolubility of marriage, the obvious nature of public adultery of what some disgraceful bishops call “good remarriage”, and the constant teaching of the Church about it being a sacrilege to receive whilst in mortal sin with the modern view of “mercy”; the latter consisting in helping people who have no fear of The Lord go to hell under shepherds who have forgotten His existence a long time ago.

Some of the statements we read around are more definitive (Cardinal Mueller and Cardinal Caffara come to mind), but in what I read a common message emerges: it can never work.

Now, it must be clear to us that we are in front of a huge test here, not only in the rather less probable case that Francis issues official “road maps” allowing public adulterers to (believe they can) receive, but even in the far more probable case that the rules are merely circumvented and made a mockery of by a generic permission to the priest – say: , “in very particular cases”, “after hearing the partners”, and when he is satisfied that they “understand” the “problematic” nature of their relationship, and all the other subtly worded vague “securities” and “precautions” that one can imagine – to give communion to them, perhaps with or perhaps without the approval of the bishop.

What will then, in this case, our prelates do? Will they cry very loud that what has been done is an exercise of hollowing out Church rules of probably unprecedented dimension? Will they continue to do so after the first excitement has passed? Or will they consider the resulting problems merely “local” issues, about which they are not qualified to talk more than they would be concerning the internal diocesan affair of their colleague bishops and archbishops?

This is not a little question, because if the latter way is chosen a huge gate will be opened for the creation of a de facto double Church – or a de facto openly schismatic behaviour -, in which some dioceses and countries – particularly in Asia and Africa, if experience is any guidance – continue to forbid such desecrations under the orders of bishops who believe in God, and many other dioceses and Countries will allow the formation of a generalised heteropraxis with the acquiescence of bishops who don't. How big the pressure would soon become in the West to “get on with the programme”, you can easily imagine.

From October, it might not be enough to simply run one's diocese in an halfway orthodox way. To do so would be to open the door to Franciscan devastation wherever a bishop has lost the fear of the Lord, and you can be sure the new appointments would fall on those so inclined. If the Obama hits the fan, it will be the duty of every sound Catholic, whether pewsitter or Cardinal, to denounce the scandal according to his rank and to the means at his disposal.

Will, in this case, the Mueller and Caffarra of this world stand up for Christ? Or will they retire behind their respective “competencies”? Who will speak for Christ? Who will cry “sacrilege” to heaven, and openly denounce the Pope for doing so?

I frankly don't know. I fear the worse. I fear we will hear from many corners the usual excuse of all cowards and of all losers: “it's too late now”. But a priest is required to die for Christ. That's why he is priest. A bishop or cardinal the more so.

October will very probably be a huge test for countless Western bishops and priests. I do not know how many will stand the test. I am rather worried, though.

Mundabor

 

Posted on April 3, 2014, in Catholicism, Conservative Catholicism, Traditional Catholicism and tagged . Bookmark the permalink. 17 Comments.

  1. Given who’s sitting on the Throne of Peter just now, formal schism after the October Synod has to be a possibility.

  2. Mundabor, have you seen the news on Protect the Pope? Apparently Bishop Egan is talking about not giving Communion to renegade politicians but he has been shot down and undermined by the Bishops’ Conference. It is awful….just awful. What are we to do?

    • Running there are finishing with the comments.
      It is obvious that Egan would be isolated. Actually he was already. The only matter is whether he will persist or will toe the line.
      M

  3. no schism, not officially a’ laHenry VIII or a’ la Byzantine. Too much rumour , too much noise, too much scandal. The NWO leaders dont’ t like too much light, too much exposure.
    North European, American, Australian Churches will more o less slowly separate, becoming more and more ” evangelical”, South European and especially African and Asian will stay alittle more catholic, just for a decade or so. And then…” tana, liberi tutti”

    • Yes, I think that too.

      You need a schism if some Pope Pius puts you with the shoulders on the wall. But a Pope Pius woudl be extremely effective in fighting against it, so it would be a cul-de-sac.

      In this case, the Pope obviously colludes with the Schismatics, so he will give them as much as he can, short of outright schism or great danger for his own popularity.

      M

  4. There have been good people falling away from the Vatican for quite some time now. This last year (year one of the Francis reign) has probably added to that number…..the canonizations in April will probably add more to the number…and the Synod will probably add more to it still. No doubt about it….VERY good people are abandoning the Vatican and everything, and everyone, to do with it.

    • I cannot justify those who abandon the Church. If Archbishop Lefebvre could live with the stink, so can we.

      Just for the record, a sedevacantist has not abandoned the Church; he has merely adopted an extremely strange and potentially dangerous idea of who is (or isn’t) the Pope.

      M

  5. I have never understood people who take the sedevacantist position seriously as such a notion (that the See of Peter be vacant other than during an inter regnum) has clearly been anathemised by the first Vatican Council. “Therefore, if anyone says that it is not by the institution of Christ the lord himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy….. let him be anathema” (Pastor Aeternus Chapter 2)

    • I do not know what answer they have to this. Perhaps they extend the interregnum… (not interesting in knowing, either)

      To me, the decisive argument is the absurdity of the reasoning thought to the end: invalid popes who appoint non-bishops and a church that forms non-priests. Give it 50 years and there is no church anymore, apart from a strange bunch of people, certainly less than 1% of the Catholic population, claiming they have kept all alive, including the sacraments and the apostolic succession…

      M

  6. Just for clarification, when I said abandon the Vatican, I didn’t mean abandon the Church. All of us in the SSPX have basically, for the most part, abandoned the actual Vatican. I understand that the Vatican is supposed to be the visible head of the Church but that is obviously no longer the case. No actual Catholic looks to the Vatican for guidance anymore.

    • Well, provided they remain good Catholics, it is obvious they will follow the Vatican in everythign that is conform to Catholic teaching and disregard it in everything that it isn’t; I think the phenomenon is already much vaster than the followers of the SSPX, but is not bad at all, purely a normal reaction of discerning Catholics to a Pope who seems to have been picked at random in some hospice.

      I look at Francis for interesting blog post material, explaining what he says and why it’s not Catholic. If he says something Catholic it is by mistake, because he is saying somethign very obvious or because he is reading the text written for him by someone who knows what he is writing about.

      M
      M

  7. Arwiv, I think the correct way to say it is that the Vatican has abandoned Catholics, for the most part. 😉

  8. While recognising that you’re not one to dwell on private revelations, Mundabor:

    Bl. Anna Catherine Emmerich, April 12, 1820

    “I had another vision of the great tribulation. It seems to me that a concession was demanded from the clergy which could not be granted. I saw many older priests, especially one, who wept bitterly. A few younger ones were also weeping. But others, and the lukewarm among them, readily did what was demanded. It was as if people were splitting into two camps…”

    Myself, I can only imagine that a demand on priests to accept that sacrilegious communion can be “pastorally” permitted would be epochal enough to have such an effect on the Church.

    • Interesting piece of private revelation. Which, as most pieces of private revelation, cannot easily be attached to concrete events.

      The priests weeping could the priests on which pressure is put to give communion to adulterers; but also to accept the new Mass.

      The one old priest could be Benedict; or he could be Padre Pio.

      During the French Revolution (I know it’s before blessed Catherine’s time) 90% of priest were defrocked without resistance! from which we see the lukewarm will always do what is demanded, even the utterly unacceptable.

      It’s very difficult, nay it is not possible, to say “we are in the times of this or that revelation” unless the circumstances are clear enough.

      I for myself believe in the revelation of our lady of Quito (search this blog), but there is nothing of end times there for all I know; terrible devastations, and everything will seem lost, and then the Blessed Virgin will help us. The time frame described centuries in advance with unmistakable precision. No Antichrist, and the like.

      M

  9. The Protestants marry and remarry..post divorce…I just recently heard Pat Robertson, 700 Club, say that the Bible does not say that one cannot remarry….Jesus condemned adultery and fornicators…Are all the protestants evangelicals going to hell for remarrying…it is better for a man to marry than to burn….

    • No idea what the 700 Club is.

      You shouldn’t listen to Pat Robertson.

      Try Padre Pio instead.

      Protestants are at risk of damnation already for being Protestant. That’s one hard but true fact for starters.

      You may want to ask a sound (operative word here is: sound) Catholic priest or, better still, canonist (an expert on Church law) about the implications of divorce and remarriage for Proddies. I deal with Catholicism here, and the vagaries of Protestants have never interested me much. AFAIK, many Protestants do not even consider marriage a sacrament, which makes it easier to have their marriage annulled if they, say, convert after divorce and want to marry a Catholic. Newt Gingrich comes to mind. But if one dumps his wife and lives with another one I can’t see how this can’t be adultery if and as long as the marriage stays. Whilst the divorce discipline is generally very complicated, I think it’s fair to say the rule is that the Church presumes a marriage valid until it is annulled. Therefore, the catholic girl who falls in love with a Protestant divorced man will not marry him unless he previously obtain an annulment of his previous marriage; which again will depend on a lot of factors.

      What God has joined together, let no one separate. Yep, sounds rather clear to me. Burning is neither here nor there.

      (Not very) amazingly, sola scriptura people are the first ones to ignore Scripture when convenient. Your Robertson hasn’t paid attention, uh?

      Besides, the reference to the better to marry than than to burn is obviously nonsensical, as in this case we are talking of an hypothetical already married man. Besides, it is not only men, but also the sexually far less “burning” women (ask… any husband) who divorce, remarry, live in sin, commit public adultery.

      I doubt this answer will satisfy you. Unfortunately, the day I die whether you were satisfied will count for naught, so I prefer to tell the truth instead.

      Welcome to this blog.

      M