John XXII, The Heretical Pope

Francis ante litteram: Pope John XXII, heretical bully almost until the end.

Francis ante litteram: Pope John XXII, heretical bully almost until the end.

 

In the first of two blog posts dedicated to a series of beautiful articles taken from the “Remnant”, I will copy the link to four articles dedicated to the grave crisis in which Pope John XXII plunged the Church in the first part of the XIV Century.

The second blog post will be dedicated to a very actual issue: how a Pope can be deposed. 

In both cases, I will add my short personal consideration. 

The articles will, also, be put in a special “page” (this is how WordPress calls the fixed pages you see at the top) on my blog, in the hope that it will attract, in time, the attention of readers surfing the waves of the Internet in the search for some guidance in the present confusion.  

I invite, here, to say the prayers you would think adequate for the author of the articles, Mr Chris Jackson (see below), and for those who run this beautiful site, a bastion of Catholic sanity in a world of fake “c”atholics, Pollyannas, prostitutes, and utter potheads. 

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The series of article you see linked below (make a tea; put on some music; make the time; you will not regret it) teaches, in my eyes, some very important lessons: 

1) Under the pretence of meekness, John was a first-class bully of the most dangerous sort. I am reminded of someone here. 

2) John called to an open discussion between orthodoxy and heresy. The discussion should, obviously, never have taken place in the first place. The parallel with today’s situation is striking. 

3) Pope John feigned a half-hearted “neutrality”, but in the praxis he clearly pushed his own agenda. Francis does exactly the same. 

4) Good Catholics who love truth expressed himself against him with such violence, that one of them was even arrested. If your heart cares, your mouth will show it. I can’t tell you what sympathy I have for those who are inflamed in their anger, because they see the Church they love attacked; or how much I despise the “nice guys” who would not be able to say anything “unkind” to the Antichrist if they had him in front of them.

Nicety is the new religion. Give me the old one. 

5) Pope John XXII’s propositions were not in the least less heretical because the immediacy of the beatific vision once a soul has entered paradise had not (yet) been proclaimed dogmatically. This had not happened simply because no Pope had been such a bonehead as to put the teaching into question. To say that every Catholic truth that is not dogmatically defined can be questioned without incurring in the sanction of heresy is the sheer madness, and would simply spell the end of Catholicism. Heretical is what goes against the deposit of the faith. The issue at hand might or might not have been defined dogmatically (this will, generally, be dependent on whether controversies arose about it), but if it has been always believed by the church, to go against it is to commit heresy; which is why John XXII is considered – until his final repentance – a heretical Pope.   “The subject-matter of both faith and heresy is, therefore, the deposit of the faith, that is, the sum total of truths revealed in Scripture and Tradition as proposed to our belief by the Church. The believer accepts the whole deposit as proposed by the Church; the heretic accepts only such parts of it as commend themselves to his own approval”. This, of course, irrespective of whether the heresy is formal or material. 

6) I wish I could share the enthusiasm of the author of the article for the wonderful repentance of John XXII. Whilst I do not doubt his final repentance was sincere – the imminence of death must focus the mind uncannily – I am too much of a cynical not to believe that the man backpedaled because the situation on the ground made the stake appear his most probable final destination if he had insisted, after due warning, in his heretical position. We must reflect that it is very widely believed that a Pope can be formally deposed as a heretic (there will be another post on this, also based on a beautiful “Remnant” article) and, at that point, loses all the protection accorded to him not only as Pope and bishop, but as priest, too. The stake would, at that point, have been a very probable final destination for our dear John, Humble Theologian, considering the gravity of pertinaciously spreading heresy from one’s position as Pope. Alas, Francis does not have the benefit of gentle reminders of the gravity of being a heretic, like John had. Which, if you ask me, is a great pity. 

Enjoy the articles. Again, I strongly suggest that you take time to really read all of them, a task you can easily divide in different times if you so wish. The four links that follow, and the one that will be published in the following one, are among the most important ever published on these pages. 

A very special “thank you” goes to reader Chris Jackson, who posted these precious sources on my comment box. He might well be the same Chris Jackson who authored the articles. In which case, my gratitude is the more increased, and I consider it a great honour to have such an erudite writer among the readers of my little, but sincere effort.  

Part One 

Part Two 

Part Three 

Part Four

Mundabor

 

 

 

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Posted on November 20, 2014, in Catholicism, Conservative Catholicism, Traditional Catholicism and tagged , . Bookmark the permalink. 4 Comments.

  1. It is time to specifically ask(demand) that Pope Francis resign. We must act.
    Mundabor what you do with sword drawn is an inspiration and I pray for you and thank you. Me thinks it is time for the next step.

    I love the writings and holiness of the late and Saintly Father Frederic Faber. I could quote him continually. I particularly find comfort in his words:

    ” Where there is no hatred of heresy, there is no holiness. A man, who might be an apostle, becomes a fester in the Church for the want of this righteous indignation” (Precious Blood).”

    Please pick and choose from that below that you would like to use from todays e mail from David Rodriquez:

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    CONTINUOUS NOVENA FOR FR. RODRIGUEZ

    – MANY THANKS to all who have been praying for Fr. Rodríguez. We have received many messages of encouragement, support and prayer.

    – Tomorrow we will begin praying a continuous novena for Fr. Rodríguez, which will last until 10 May 2015. The current novena should always be at the PRAYER / CURRENT NOVENA tab from the website homepage (www.svfonline.org). It will also be accessible through the website’s calendar: http://svfonline.org/el-paso-

    – Our first novena, appropriately enough given Father’s fervent Marian Devotion will be to Our Lady. This particular novena is to Our Lady of Remedy. We will pray it from Nov 21 – Nov 29. It is attached in .pdf format.

    – The second novena will be the traditional Christmas Novena prayed for twenty-five days from the Feast of St. Andrew to Christmas Eve (Nov 30-Dec 24). It is also attached in .pdf format.

    – Following the Feast of the Immaculate Conception (which is Father’s ordination anniversary), we will also begin to pray a 54 Day Rosary Novena. As soon as I have those files prepared in .pdf format, I will email them out as well.

    NOTE: If anyone is able to translate these into Spanish, Portuguese (or any other language) that would be most appreciated, as this prayer effort is not limited to the United States.

    ST. VINCENT FERRER UPDATES

    * Discs 3-5 from the class on Mary are also now available. These cover the two seminars in which we studied the dogma that Mary is the Mother of Go (Theotokos in Greek, Sancta Dei Genetrix in Latin).

    * Discs 1-5 from the introductory class on the Traditional Latin Mass which Father Rodríguez gave in Spanish (this year, 2014) are also now available. We are still working on getting classes 6-10 on disc. Those will be forthcoming.

    * Today on Omnia Instaurare in Christo (internet class), we discussed the Virtue of Obedience as taught by St. Alphonsus Liguori. You are invited to tune in HERE at 1pm (MST) or listen to the archived shows HERE.

    * There is a new sermon by Fr. Rodriguez at the homepage of the website. Although he gave it back on Nov 2, it was not posted until this week. It serves as an excellent compendium to the sermon he gave on Nov 9. This sermon is titled “The Mass is the Path to Heaven.”

    CATHOLIC NEWS AND ARTICLES

    Saddening News:
    (1) A Catholic community in Trier, Germany (an ancient city that served as the Roman capital in the northern portions of its Empire and to which St. Athanasius was banished in the 4th century on his first of five exiles from his See) has now suffered a fate similar to what was experienced in 2011 by Catholics who used to assist at San Juan Bautista in El Paso. This is yet another incident in a long list of persecutions against Catholics who are striving to remain faithful to authentic Catholicism. You can read about it here. Please keep this community in your prayers.

    (2) Rock singer Patti Smith, known as the “Godmother of punk rock,” has received a personal invitation from Pope Francis to perform at the Vatican’s Christmas concert next month. Patti is known for her quote: “I always enjoyed doing transgender songs.” She is a infamous icon closely connected with many sodomites and living a gravely disordered lifestyle. She publicly advocates in favor of the sodomitical agenda. She also wrote a lyric saying that Christ did not die for her sins. Charity would consist in converting such a person and not exposing the faithful to her evil thought and example. You can read reports about this at New Musical Express (caution: secular site) and other places.

    (3) In an interview with CBS’ 60 Minutes, Cardinal O’Malley (Boston) claims that if he had started the Church, he would have women priests. (I cannot fathom how this is not a public rebuke of Jesus Christ, Our Lord and Savior. Yet, Our Lady of Akita (approved apparition) did warn that Cardinal would oppose Cardinal and Bishop would oppose Bishop. The same Cardinal also made terrible comments regarding Bishop Finn (Kansas City) that he is not suitable for office. In my opinion, the writing seems rather clear on the wall: Bishop Finn will soon be removed from his office, like what has happened to other bishops in Europe and South America. And Bishop Finn is considered one of the bishops most favorable towards tradition in the USA. Many of us met him when we went to Kansas City for Sister Philomena’s profession of vows (she is in his diocese). You can read about that at CRUX Catholic News.

    Quote for the Day:

    Fr. Fredrick Faber: “If we hated sin as we ought to hate it, purely, keenly, manfully, we should do more penance, we should inflict more self-punishment, we should sorrow for our sins more abidingly. Then, again, the crowning disloyalty to God is heresy. It is the sin of sins, the very loathsomest of things which God looks down upon in this malignant world. Yet how little do we understand of its excessive hatefulness! It is the polluting of God’s truth, which is the worst of all impurities. Yet how light we make of it! We look at it, and are calm. We touch it and do not shudder. We mix with it, and have no fear. We see it touch holy things, and we have no sense of sacrilege. We breathe its odor, and show no signs of detestation or disgust. Some of us affect its friendship; and some even extenuate its guilt. We do not love God enough to be angry for His glory. We do not love men enough to be charitably truthful for their souls. … Where there is no hatred of heresy, there is no holiness. A man, who might be an apostle, becomes a fester in the Church for the want of this righteous indignation” (Precious Blood).

    Thought for the Day:

    Atheism.
    The belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing spontaneously exploded without cause and for no reason, creating everything. And then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason whatsoever into highly complex self-replicating bits of something which were then able to turn themselves into the dinosaurs.

    It is completely unexplainable and incomprehensible how these bits of something then continued to rearrange themselves into intelligent men – capable of reason and love – who feel compelled to explain and comprehend the nothing out of which they originally sprung.
    Makes perfect sense, no?

    “Hail Mary, full of sorrows, the Crucified is with thee; tearful art thou amongst women, and tearful is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of the Crucified, give tears to us, crucifiers of thy Son, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.”

    Ad Iesum per Mariam,
    dvr

    In love of our Catholic Faith,

    George Brenner

  2. Do you think you can elaborate a bit more on this point:
    “Pope John XXII’s propositions were not in the least less heretical because the immediacy of the beatific vision once a soul has entered paradise had not (yet) been proclaimed dogmatically.”

    I don’t see why he would be a heretic if the dogma had not been defined yet.

    Thanks.
    Sbyvl

    • I explained it in another recent post.

      “The subject-matter of both faith and heresy is, therefore, the deposit of the faith, that is, the sum total of truths revealed in Scripture and Tradition as proposed to our belief by the Church”.

      If you state that Jesus had three legs, or was a New Age expert, you are being a heretic even if there is no dogmatic definition that Jesus only had two, and wasn’t. Truths of the faith can, but do not have to, be defined through dogma to make of the one who denies them a heretic. The contrary is the case: you will generally have a dogma when a controversy arose in the past, and no dogma when it didn’t.

      This is why John XXII has been traditionally considered a heretical Pope. One of the links you have not clicked also mentions a Pope stating as much.

      M

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