Francis Is Pope
Will it never, ever end?
Who is President, Trump or Biden? You know the answer, even if we don’t like it. The one who is the President under the sun is President*, and Trump himself (though he is emeritus) says that he himself is not it anymore. Therefore, no matter how bad Biden’s Presidency* is, and even in the knowledge that Biden actually stole it, it is a fact under the sun that Biden is President*.
Still, it would be easier to fantasize that Trump is still President, then to fantasize that Benedict is still in charge. Any person who abandons himself to fantasies of a Trump’s second term now running knows that there is a new game in 2024; but any person who decides (in his mind) that Francis is not Pope has condemned himself to Sedevacantism, then there is no way you can bend yourself into a pretzel and decide in which way the Cardinals illegitimately appointed by a fake Pope can legitimately elect his successor. Then be honest with yourself and say that you are a Sedevacantist, with all the risks, for your soul first and for common sense second, that this entails.
Someone might ask: “What is your solution then, Mundabor?”
I don’t have to find a solution. God already has the solution. I merely observe the facts, and do not bend them to my fantasies. Facts are facts. Joe Biden is the 46th President* of the United States. Fact.
I have written many times that I do not see (bar a strong, fast Divine intervention Catholics most certainly have not deserved) any solution during my lifetime. Francis could be succeeded by Francis II Cupich, and the latter by Francs III Tagle, and Francis IV might be worse than them all together. When all seems lost, Our Lady will, by God’s grace, intervene and set things right, as promised.
We do not have to concoct abstruse theories about who is Pope. It is bloody obvious who is Pope. Ask Benedict who is the Pope! Ask Trump who is the President*!
What we have to do is stay faithful to the Church and Her teaching, and live and die doing the best out of the situation given to us. If you ask me, my hunch is that God will allow the situation of heretical Popes (nothing new by the way) to go on until Catholics in vast numbers reject the Francisrubbish and demand an authentic teaching again. If my hunch is right, none or almost none of those reading this today will live to see sanity restored.
What is the solution? Christ is the solution. What can you do? Pray more and ask God that He may put an end to this punishment soon is what you can do. There are no easy, human solutions. There should not be, if the affront of Vatican II is to be remembered for millennia to come.
This mess needs to live in infamy for many centuries after it has ended.
Don’t expect an easy way out.
Share this:
Posted on February 5, 2021, in Traditional Catholicism. Bookmark the permalink. 25 Comments.
Mundabor's Blog 
There are invalid popes, invalid presidents, and invalid marriage partners. The people who hold these positions also hold the titles. They need to be removed of their false positions wherever possible, sometimes not entirely by supernatural intervention.
Very fine.
We agree that Francis should be removed from his position because he is a heretic. Until that happens he will hold, albeit a heretic, the position.
Similarly, we agree that Biden should be removed and the presidency given to Trump. But Biden, not Trump, holds the office now.
Hello. I agree. What is the meaning of the * after President?
It’s a mention of the fact that Biden, whilst recognised in history as a President, will always have an “asterisk” after his name, because he got his office via theft.
Well said Mundabor. Agree to deny Francis is Pope is to be–in the last analysis–a Sedevacantist. My answer to all of this is to follow pre-Vatican II Church teaching and listen to Archbishop Vigano as our stand-in Pope.
If for stand-in Pope you mean “the guy we listen to as the safest guidance”, my biscuit goes to the SSPX.
Jesus Christ will and does defend His Bride as men try to violate and destroy Her. I believe we are going to be very surprised to see just how much so when the Immaculate Heart of Mary triumphs. A thief can pretend that something belongs to him and everyone can agree to it, but inevitably that very thing turns on him and destroys him unexpectedly.
Have actually come to the conclusion that BXVI is Pope, Mundy. It’s based on reality and what actually happened i.e. BXVI doing it ALL wrong. The fruits are the evil bat crazy we know as “pope” Francis. It doesn’t matter if blinded people say otherwise. Objective truth wins the day not what modernist cardinals or even modernist BXVI says. Same with Trump. Objective truth says he won the election. The blind and the evil deny it and steal an office that doesn’t belong to them. Both offices are stolen thus both are illegitimate. Are these illegitimate men applying their stolen offices in real time? Yes. Does Trump say he is married to Melania? Yes, Is he? No. In objective reality he isn’t. Yet in supposed real life is sure looks that way. So we are having to deal with delusion, fabrication, and lies all the time…sounds like diabolical disorientation eh? Proof that Truth is the only answer and cure to it all…so keep on proclaiming it:+) God bless~
P.S. There ARE times when something looks and quacks like a duck turns out to be a mechanical duck. Rare yes. But the times we live in are just that:+)
“Have actually come to the conclusion”
What a horribly, horribly Protestant thing to say.
But B16 does recognize F as Pope.
Exactly.
Is Francis a manifest heretic? If so, he loses the office ipso facto. If not, you owe him your allegiance.
I find it easier to believe that Benedict is still pope by reason of an invalid abdication than that Francis is pope despite his obvious heresies.
Several Popes have been heretics, and have not lost their office. None of them has lost his office ipso facto without any such declaration.
A council is not superior to the pope – the supreme earthly authority of the Church. A council cannot depose a valid pope without his consent or his having first lost the office.
So the question remains – is Francis a manifest and pertinacious heretic? If so, his loss of office isn’t dependent upon Cardinal Burke and Company stepping up to the plate.
Of course it can.
If Marcellinus had not resigned, or offered his resignation, do you think that the Bishops would have left him in place? If John XXII had declared his heresy a dogma, do you think that he would have been left in place?
Extraordinary circumstances always require extraordinary measure.
With your reasoning, Marcellinus shouldn’t even have been accused.
I think J22 couldn’t declare heresy a dogma. Holy Spirit did prevent him to do a such thing.
Bishop Vincent Gasser, in his Relatio about Vatican I, explains very well the meaning of the dogma about infallibility. The Pope is not infallible ‘in his person’, but ‘in his office’. He can do a definition which, if meeting 3 conditions (talking as Pope, matter of faith of moral, clare and bonding), is infallible.
F has never did a definition which, according to the dogma of Vatican1, is to be believed infallible.
That saves dogma of Vatican1 and our right to criticize the Pope.
I think you beg the question.
If John XXII had proclaimed the dogma, would you have said that there is no God?
The theologians challenging him (and clearly threatening him) obviously did not think they shoul djust let all in the hands of the Holy Ghost.
As to Francis, yes, he has never pronounced any “heretical dogma”. But he has been (in the common parlance) heretical so many times I have lost count.
If J22 had proclaimed the dogma, I’d said that
1) the definition was flawed by something (for example, no clarity, or no bonding);
2) the definition was correct and then the Pope is no infallible, so Catholicism is wrong.
The 2° hypothesis is a thing that I believe will NEVER occurr in history. Simply, Holy Spirit will never allow it. So, we have no need to figure out “what can we save Catholicism it that happens?” Or Catholicism is true (which I believe), so will never happen, or Catholicism is wrong, so it doesn’t deserve to be saved.
Anyway, I agree with theory of legitimate tyrannicide. J22 did not proclaim the dogma also because he was HARDLY warned by cardinals. If I correctly remember, the King of France threatened to burn him on fire.
I remember reading this: there was a formal denunciation of his theory. Then, a delegation visited the Pope. The content of the meeting was never “leaked”. However, and if you ask me, the circumstances make it very obvious that the man was threatened with a council declaring him a heretic, and therefore deposed and then burned at the stake, and the King of France would have paid all the costs of the (very costly) operation. It really seems impossible that a man bent on something so enormous would have been swayed by kind entreaties, or by less than a very actual, clear and present threat; the very fact that the content was not divulged indicates that it was a meeting for the ages, otherwise the “Pope was swayed by the humble supplications of the theologians” would have been the official story in no time. Rather, I would say that at times the Holy Ghost works through the strong decisions of strong men.
As to your points above, it seems to me that it is more Benedictpopism: if a Pope proclaims a dogma, the Pope proclaims a dogma. If he says that this is what he intends to do, then this is what you are dealing with. It’s not for you or me to decide whether such an expression of the Petrine office satisfies your requirements. Hypothesis 2 would never happen. Hypothesis one would not happen *because strong men take strong action*.
According to the only pertinent ruling document, JPII’s Universi Domenici Gregis, the election of Bergoglio was invalid. It broke three of the rules, and, presciently, Pope John Paul said that there would be no need for a declaration on the matter and one would not have to adhere to what the falsely elected person said.
Mary, you can’t be judge and jury on absolutely anything that pertains to who is what in the Church.
I don’t know whether Omogoglio is Pope. Certainly Catholic he is not!
It’s like saying “I don’t know whether Biden is President*. Certainly has not won the election!”
I don’t understand the need to ‘solve’ these situations. I can easily access what the Church teaches. In reality, it makes little difference to my life what Pope Francis is up to on any given day (and it’s usually something offensive). As people in the past did during reigns of heretic popes, we just need to continue praying and trying to follow the laws God gave us. I don’t believe He will fault us for something that is completely out of our scope and I know that I can follow His rules without thought of Francis or the wild bishops, although sometimes it makes interesting reading. God bless you for your clarity!
Well said.